A question about those Reincarnation Princess novels. (or the reincarnated as villainess novels)

[azurehayalet]

Ooh, would love a reincarnation story like that. Imagine being reincarnated into a Game of Thrones type story But as for why they have all these tropes, it's probably because these are comfort reads for the protagonists before they die(and for the actual reader as they read). They're not supposed to be gripping or anything, just something to pass time and escape reality with. Think of chicklits and/or boss-subordinate romances. Romance is the main point here, so the plot suffers

[Lemon_Demon]

Hmm That would be an interesting premise. And as for the villainous most of the times, they’re really just a victim of their situations.

Some of them really are brutal, but rest are like ???

I don’t really have much experience in writing these kinds of stories since I rarely read them but I was thinking of writing a parody novel making fun of all the tropes. if you could suggest some tropes you’d like made fun off, that’d be great.

[Lemon_Demon]

yeah that’s true but also the stark difference between isekai novels aimed at women and at men mainly. I was hoping to bridge that gap with two novel ideas I have.
One of them being a parody, while the other having an action-fantasy thing with an fmc, because I think even girls need some rep in that kinda isekai genre.

[azurehayalet]

Fair, let me see if I can think of some ideas...

Something I always wondered with these types of stories: Why is their first conclusion most of the time to say they've been reincarnated? I would question if I went mad to be honest.

Also, I do have a story kind of similar to what you're saying. It's not finished and is on hiatus but it might give you some ideas. Would you like a link?

[Lemon_Demon]

well yeah I suppose that is pretty funny. Personally I’d question whether all of that was a prank or not.
But being isekai’d would be a funny option.

Sure please send the link

[azurehayalet]

Prank is a bit of a stretch but not as much as reincarnation

Here it is, hope it helps ^^

Read Reincarnated as a Puppet...How?! | Tapas Web Novels

[Lemon_Demon]

Thanks I’ll check out your novel!

Would you mind reading mine too? I just started it and wrote 3 chapter too, but it is a WIP, hence why I was collecting reviews on the princess novels.

Also lmao my life is too boring so if I do get isekai’d I’d just shrug it off and be like sure why not (unless it is like AOT in which case- hahahahah ;;; )

[azurehayalet]

Is it Dianchian? That one has more than 3 chapters though

[Lemon_Demon]

No no it’s not. That’s a different sci-fi novel haha. The one I’m talking about is in google docs lol because it’s still a WIP

[azurehayalet]

Okay sure, please DM me the link. Giving feedback helps me, too so I'm fine with taking a look ^^

[Lemon_Demon]

Thank you! Also should I leave comments or DM you about your story?

[azurehayalet]

I sent the link because I thought it might help you, no need to give feedback. It's on hiatus anyway ^^ If you want to, you can DM me about it however

[darthmongoose]

I don’t really have much experience in writing these kinds of stories since I rarely read them but I was thinking of writing a parody novel making fun of all the tropes. if you could suggest some tropes you’d like made fun off, that’d be great.

You should probably read some of the thing you want to parody. It's hard to write a good parody of a genre based on people telling you what the tropes are rather than from actual observation.

[ButterflyEmpress]

The 1st I heard of the villanous dying trope was from Hamestu Flag. In one of the routes, Katarina is supposed to get stabbed by her ex fiance. I didn't know that was a thing I thought it was like exaggerated humor

[darthmongoose]

I honestly have no idea if it's:

A: Seriously a common trope in Korean Romance-Fantasy Light Novels that the minor antagonist rival "villainess" character has a tendency to die, often by execution by the male lead, and these isekai stories grew out of a desire to save these characters.

B: A trope specific to isekai stories that presumably started with whatever the early ones were that subverted the "reborn as the protagonist of a fantasy novel" by making it "reborn as the female antagonist of a fantasy novel" that was added to insert extra drama and stakes, since generally villainess characters in real Fantasy-Romance stories tend to have the advantage over the underdog female lead.

Whatever the case, it's a recurring trope in these novels and comics now. The main character is reborn as a villainess from a Fantasy novel she's familiar with, and tells the audience in her internal monologue something like "But I remember, the villainess Claudette Du Mal gets turned down by the male lead...and then excecuted at the summer solstice! Meaning I only have three months to avoid death!!" (end of chapter 1, don't forget to like and subscribe!). Probably at this point, it's copied from other isekai stories more than from Fantasy novels though.

[Lemon_Demon]

I mean I have read some, but not too much haha

[PrettiMidnight]

From the ones I’ve read, there’s almost always a super attractive misunderstood tsundere with a kind heart behind the mask that the strong willed reincarnated character either avoids with all of their being, is swept up in the romance of it all, or tries to exact their revenge due to a misunderstanding but falls for them anyway.

[Katzalcoatl]

The reincarnated villainess theme cliches depend on which influence the novel has. What I mean is Japanese villainess novels have certain cliches while korean villainess novels has other cliches. I am sucker for both types so I pretty much know all their cliches. Reincarnating as a princess novel is different than a villainess novel at least cliche wise.

My question to you now is... which type of cliches are you looking for? Princess reincarnation novels or villainess reincarnation novels? Japanese influence or korean influence? The setting also influences the cliches. So is it in a medieval setting, a modern setting, or maybe even Wuxia villainess novel cliches?

I need you to be more specific in what you are looking for.

[Katzalcoatl]

If you want to write a satire. You will have to read many, many more.

Simply hearing what others want to make fun of does not make a good satire in general. One thing is asking for ideas once you have read multiple examples of the theme you want to make fun of and another is taking ideas without really understanding the theme at hand.

The problem with writing before having read enough stories with a certain theme is that you can easily offend people by not understanding how the cliches work or in which way it would be ok to make fun of them and in which way it is not ok to make fun of them.

Basically in order to make fun of something you need to throroughly understand your target audience. The only way to understand said audience is by reading many more stories with this particular theme. After reading those you have to look for examples with your particular settings. The villainess reincarnation theme is pretty broad after all.

Like I mentioned before cliches vary depending on the setting. Do you want japanese influence or korean influence? Do you want medival cliches or modern type stories cliches? Is your villainess in a Wuxia setting? Is it a GL comedy villainess setting (even GL villainess have their very own cliches)? Is it a litRPG type of story?

[Lemon_Demon]

basically any, there are a few cliche plot points in all, like how none of them seem to miss their past and just move on. Or how with the ones targeted at women, it’s often (not always) shown that they're after the villain, or the hero and try to change the plot.