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well i'm glad we have more or less debunked the bot views/comments theory.
but idk what to think of the fact that a blank canvas is getting more action than legit webcomics do :")
perhaps it's just the satire, and readers are rolling with it...?

@Im_moron have you tried asking them in your description to say something specific in the comments, just to test things out?

@Im_moron , i think there is a next step in the experiment to make sure of the authenticity of readers is considering that probably, blank pages will eventually get old. This may be an ironic fad, but what happens when the "joke" gets old?, will it lose engagement? or will it become bigger??

We live in a "dank culture" where ironic enjoyment is stronger than ever at the point of becoming genuine enjoyment. So it makes sense at first is catching some attention. But we also live in a culture of fast pacing fads....If it keeps growing after it gets old, what does this says about the audience?

Don`t let this get you down. I think you can use this experience as an inspiration for really angsty. It would be hillarious to see R.A. competing against a random deity writing blank pages. :grin:

Am I the only one not seeing how this comic is "overperforming"? If anything it's underperforming. I expected far more people to subscribe just to play into the joke.

I have gotten more subs in the span of a single hour than this has by now on my comics. And before anyone starts shouting "bl" or "color" or "mobile scroll"; the comic I'm keeping in mind for this is Horror Comedy, it's not BL, it's black and white manga pages - not mobile scroll - and not romance oriented at all. I didn't promote it anywhere and the first subs didn't seem to recognize me from any of my other platforms or comics.

What I did have on my side is years of experience and a regular update rate. If you have that and a strong intro, gaining subs shouldn't be that hard.

Legit webcomics are still earning more subs than this comic, chill out people xD Don't abandon your true passions; there's still a chance for all of you to get what you want out of your comics if you just hang in there and keep working!

I'm seriously considering taking pages of Paladin and whiting-out everything except the punctuation. I'll post it under Fantasy and call it A Knight in a Snowstorm.

The people subbing the blank pages are just having a laugh, the people who sub your comic are actually reading it. Only one of these things takes actual emotional investment.

No one reading the blank white pages actually gives a crap, though. It appears to do better because it takes zero effort from the readers. Any actual comic crafted with actual skill has a bigger barrier to entry and requires those subbing to, again, invest in the process!

I hope that cheers you up a little? The blank white pages don't really prove anything to me, but its nice that it doesn't look like bots. XD

@Im_moron aye, maybe like a white page with text and a game of "simon says"

that... actually doesn't sound like that bad of a plot thread (for when I get out of Hiatus)
this really REALLY ties into the whole theme of the comic being about chasing a passion

also that's the thing @LordVincent
doesnt matter if the comic is underperforming, it's the fact that it's outperforming my actual series

@SleepingPoppy shrugs aye... I've already chilled out a slight bit... it's just kind of surreal to me... also Diego ^^^ already pitched an awesome idea for my other comic to into comedy, when I get back to it...
I already have a few jokes I need to write down in a doc xD

I wouldn't take it personally. Audiences are fickle things. Like, who knew that a book about a creepy sparkly vampire would get so big? Or that fanfiction of said vampire series would become nearly as big, despite being poorly-researched in the BDSM department?

You try your hardest to be tasteful and good and the public decides they'd rather go elsewhere for their centaur erotica.

There's a meme for this

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I feel like everything is getting prettier and less creepy. Not saying that every comic/movie/etc are getting worse for doing this or anything else, it's just an observation

My takeaway from all this is that webtoon creation is about features. Work for features. Don't expect anything to just organically (people come to website, somehow find your comic, subscribe) happen, especially soon.

I've been doing this for two years. With this LWT "boost", I got up to 6K subscriptions in about two weeks. The latest page I dropped, which is my best yet, received over 50 comments and 200 'likes' in the first 24 hours. The subscriptions, which were going up by 1000 per day, lost 20. Literally went backward.

So you're telling me that 6000 people like my product, and literally 0 of them told one other person about it? There is absolute 0 organic growth (word of mouth)?

Based on the growth I had before it utterly stopped, I also received an interview and an ad feature from a popular webcomics website. That also had literally 0 impact.

My best advice is minimize costs (like I didn't - each one of my pages costs around $150-200 in time and money) keep the quality high, and wait for a feature that probably won't come.

chances are you lost more than 20, but gained new people too and it balanced out to a net of 20 lost.

The same thing happens on Tapas after you get a sudden surge of subscribers. Sometimes people see the cover art or description and it looks interesting enough to subscribe to at the moment, but then when they go back and read it they realize it's not their thing. Or maybe they read enough to be nagged to sub and accidentally hit yes then realize later after you update that it was a mistake.

After I hit the 2500 sub range on LW I always lose subs when I update and then slowly it crawls back into positive gain.

There's a comic in Discovery that took two years to get featured, I think it's because the art is very detailed to make consistent updates, so maybe LN waited the author build up a good amount of episodes before featuring it

I also wonder how many editors they have there, and if they will feature more 4 comics as past months

I've been checking them out and some genuinely deserve the attention but some I look at and think, "how the hell did you get featured?" There are some really awesome comics out there but I feel like the people in charge of the featuring favour "friends" rather than what actually deserves a look in.

True! There are creators that possibly got featured thanks to their popularity on the internet, or had a featured comic before, and some thanks to their friends who are also featured authors. There are also comics from Naver that also got featured on LW.

But there's a previous featured author that I also made the same question as you, they already completed their comic, and made a new one this year, it got featured on the recommended titles for a couple weeks and it was at the first on the list. I wonder if the author tried to sell for LW before launching it to discovery and they tried to see how much popularity it would get before thinking about it hmm

Maybe I'm just speculating too much, but the same thing happened to The Devil is a Handsome Man when it got featured on the recommended titles, it stayed there at the first on the list for a while and suddenly the author said something about reviewing the previous episodes to make it good, then the announcement of becoming featured came out

See, we need to make a co-author series.
Everyone pick a color -- some type of color. And just post that.

I have some easter eggs planned for some future updates to spice it up lol

did you uploaded the easter egg episode? that could have affected the result making people think there is more to see. Or maybe more people are embracing irony.

Easter egg was today, so that is yet to show it's effect

Not sure if anyone still cares about this. But it's doing pretty well(definitely out performs my real Comic which has over 150subs which is sort of depressing). Not sure if it's partially because it updates daily, but whatever I'm having a lot of fun with it so I'm gonna keep it up until I grow bored. Joe stopped commenting, so those 2 comments are actually other people being active readers. I'm also testing out which days of the week and times of day are best. And I compared with my other comic, June 13 was just a good day for both comics(Even though it had been days since I updated for my other comic) and I'm not sure why.

As of right now it has 19 subs.

I feel you

also dropped the beans from my "comic" that it was an experiment, will check it tomorrow I guess

Can you please experiment if the Page Views we're still intact from a deleted episode..? I heard somewhere that people used to make a single page announcement or art dump then delete the episode before the month resets and therefore gives them plus PVs...

By my own experience, the page views from a deleted update got deleted too 24 hours later. Which you don't lose are the views from another episodes thanks to your last update.

uploads a page explaining the experiment
somehow performs WORSE than pages that are blank....
wh-

Kind of make sense, nobody likes being experimented on. At least not if they are unpaid.

Also, the black letters made it lose it`s "original empty canvas where you could project anything" kind of charm.

You never explain the joke!
The joke will be ruined when you explain it.

1 year later

Soooo i totally forgot about this and neglected the comic from around aug last yr till may this yr when I decided to bring the all white comic back to life. To those wondering it is thriving more than ever these days xD it's gained about 50subs in the last two months and about 5k in views, and today I was able to unlock ad rev. It now totals around 10k views and 100subs. I'm gonna keep at it and see how long and how far I can take it until I get bored and forget about it again lol.

Apologies in advance for reviving the zombie thread xD

We've been doing well (still no where near ad revenue but we're happy nonetheless). We don't get a huge bump in subs when an episode is released, rather they slowly gather during each update. We had a long hiatus and during that time we hit 1k subs. That was in April. We're now 7 away from 1.2k. All in all I guess you just gotta keep going haha.

2 months later

This thread seems to be an old one, but I have the same experience where I got featured on LW banner and gained thousands of additional subs. So I thought my comic seems to be performing well. But for that month, I only got the same $200 like from the previous month even tho subs and page views increased like 5 times than before. Also after updating an episode the next month, I lost like 300 subs in a day. So I don't really know how LW works because this phenomenon confused me a lot. I have been consistent with my scheduled updates too. Or are subs and page views alone not the basis of a good monthly performance?

I noticed it too. After weeks or months, Line will eventually delete some subs. I once experienced 100+ unnsub to my series for 3 day straight. It's a marketing strategy I guess.

Yeah, it's weird. I mean 300 subs lost the day you updated is no joke. It would make one think that it was an organized boycott (which is a scary thing to imagine) So I guess I'll take LW figures and statistics with a grain of salt.

As far as I know a big loss after a feature is pretty normal. People will actually come back to it when it updates, and many decide its not for them on the second glance.

That is possible... But really now, XD I still can't figure out what it really takes to level up your beta credit creator earnings. I've always thought it has something to do with page visits per month. But with what I experienced, it doesn't seem that way at all. Their description said "Creators will be paid an extra $100-$1,000 based on the performance of their series." And it's not clear where they base the performance on

It is clear actually. They have this table with US page views per month. Did your earnings mismatched these numbers?
I don't know if they really only count US views for the payment, but if they are, it's understandable that you can have lots of views, but not so much money - most of views just don't come from US.

Oh I see, I guess I haven't seen that part of their description. As far as I remember (I haven't taken a screenshot tho) my US monthly page view reached 200,000+ But ugh, for now I'll let it slip since I really have no solid proof XD Guess I'll be more observant with my page views next time.