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Dec 2020

Writers, both pantsers and plotters, and readers, how much description do you like to see in a story?

I'm on the fence. In one of my stories the only description is that the protagonist has dark curly hair (it's first person so he cuts his own hair and describes the cat playing with some of it as it falls the the floor) and you know he's older as he's been in his profession for a 2-3 decades.

In another story I go into detail as people see the person first hand and he's supposed to be drop dead gorgeous.

In another there is no description of two of the main characters and the only description of a third is that he wears bunny head slippers.. but there is a lot of description of a creature.

Because I used to write for radio I've gotten in the habit of not describing characters, something I've been chastised for before. On the other hand, as a reader, I quite often don't need to know what my character looks like. I like to conjure up their looks myself. Simple things like "beautiful" or "homely" do fine for me, or nothing at all.

I've asked readers about this before and the field is divided. But I've never asked other writers.

What say you?

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Tbh, I don't care either way xD

BUT, as a reader I hate when we get 10 pages about how each character looks like, without anything else happening xD

I'm mostly on the "If the plot calls for it" thing. As an example - If the hair plays a part in a scene, I think it's fine to describe length and color of said hair. Or eye color reveal can be super amazing if a character is falling in love and is like "OH; THE COLOR OF THEIR EYES IS THE COLOR OF A HOPEFUL MORNING SUN" or some shit like that.

Other than that, I don't usually write much of it myself, unless I have to, for covers and comics and such.

Personally, I also have the problem that I don't really imagine how they look even if they are described, so it's not that important for me to start with.

Brevity is the best. I agree. Unless it's really important. 10 pages. oy, I think I'd be flipping through that so fast a stop action camera couldn't catch me.

The best way is to give enough description that the reader can create an image in their head, but not too much to the point that you start to spoonfeed them information and bore them. There's a fine balance between those two. If you give no info to your reader, they have to create an image themselves which is not good. The opposite end, you end up with walls of text of meaningless description. So yeah, the middle is what you should strive for.

Okay, maybe not 10 pages. But I have read some stuff that was all description, no action, and I was just stubbornly reading through xD

But yea, I appreciate details of importance, and dislike details that feels out of place. I guess it's mostly the show don't tell, here as well?

If the character traits is important, don't just tell them, use them in the story somehow. -Is what I'm mostly thinking

I like dense wordy stuff, but only if it has a style to it. When it's kind of just a list of descriptors like what you would read off of a clothing ad, it turns me off a bit and it isn't worth putting in. But, if the writer has this flair that evokes really creative metaphors then I'm gonna really enjoy the descriptions. I feel like the description of the character should tell us about who the character is as much as what they look like.

So if it's just a situation where they're generically blonde, then that's probably all you need. You can always introduce other descriptors later as it's pertinent to the plot. But, if they've got this history to why they're wearing the clothes they are wearing that distinguishes them from other people, then that could be a great place to expand on their character and pull in some lore at the same time.

I find myself holding back on character description when I introduce someone and saving it for later, honestly. I try to avoid the lore dump and pace it out.

Never been a fan of long descriptions either, be it with characters or landscapes (looking at you, Tolkien XD love his books, but those lengthy descriptions... not as much D: ). A few words are usually enough for me to come up with a mental image of a character, so stuff like "he's tall, has brown hair, blue eyes and freckles on his nose" are more than enough to me. No need to put all of these traits together in the same sentence either: having bits and pieces scattered throughout the book also works to me. Well, okay, maybe it's best to have stuff like hair/eye colors set earlier on in the story, so maybe I can avoid reading 100+ pages thinking a certain character has black hair when they're actually blonde, but as for everything else, I'm fine with a few details being added as the story goes :smiley:

As others said, having no info at all can make it hard to imagine what a character looks like... but too much gets boring soon and is honestly unnecessary most of the time. As for clothes, I usually don't bother describing them in too much detail either, unless it's somehow important to the plot. Uber long descriptions of a character's wardrobe are usually one of the easiest way to make me lose any interest in a story :'D

I usually try to pace it out, a hint here a hint there that adds up. But again, only if it's pertinent to the story.

I think one of my favorite descriptions I've read was one of the first James Bond books where he was descrsibed as "having hoody good looks." Or something along that line. lol

I generally dont put too much effort into describing my characters because everyone is going to create a different mental image of the character. When i do describe them, I like to have my characters describe each other and since my series takes place in modern times, I use references to create an image. There is a Butler in the series that one character describes as "Alfred". My main character is described as "Rosie the Riveter". If you get the references, you can form the mental picture of how they look.

I personally hate the "laundry list" descriptions. I've never once needed to know a female character's bra size or descriptions of her private areas to picture what she looked like, but people still take the time to write about it. If a character wakes up to work out, I already know they're in workout gear, I don't need an itemized list. This method also bugs me because the descriptions don't stick. They become generic figures with names I don't recognize.

If there something important about the character's appearance or background, I just say it. My MC has thick, curly hair. I write about her fixing her ponytail or pulling her hair into a sloppy bun. People with long hair understand the struggle of keeping their hair out of their face much more than describing a certain hairstyle. One character talks about his Haitian grandma and wishes he knew more about his Haitian roots. Another character wears her mother's Star of David. I like to celebrate the little things that make people unique in my descriptions.

This thread reminded me of a book all of my friends were passing around in high school because they thought it was really good. And when I finally read it I was so angry. Almost every other page had extremely gratuitous character descriptions for even background characters that included name brand clothing and little 14 year old me was so incensed that I wrote the author a very strongly worded email.... (to be fair, it wasn’t just the gratuitous description. I also thought it was carrying a dangerous message and everything else just sent me over the edge.)

I think its important to have faith in the reader’s imagination and trust that they have the capacity to fill things in themselves with just a basic amount of information and dole it out whenever its necessary. If you tell me a character has olive skin and curly hair I’ve already got an image forming in my head. Tell me that character has to look up to face another character and BAM there’s a height difference now and the image becomes clearer. Heck, even just personality archetypes can form an image even without a physical description sometimes. And isn’t that part of the fun anyway? Seeing different interpretations of the same description.

I dropped Welcome to Nightvale pretty quick after it started but I remember when you almost couldn’t get away from the fan art for a while and it was so interesting seeing all of these characters depicted by fans just based off of audio description alone.

Was it Three Steps Over Heaven by Federico Moccia, by any chance? :'D (...probably not, but the way you talked about it definitely gave me flashbacks from that book: every single character would be described by the brands of clothing they were wearing, the story was crap... yet every other 14 years old in my high school was raving about that book. I hated it :'D describing the exact brands character are wearing is another one of the things I dislike the most: again, unless it's necessary for the plot, please don't D: ).

As a writer (when I'm doing prose and not comics) I struggle with finding the right times to describe a character without it being awkward. I was FAIRLY happy with how I did the description in my novella with a single protagonist (she drops little bits of description that reflect on herself here and there throughout the whole story), but I'm usually at a loss.

As a reader though, I LIKE description, especially if it makes sense for the given character and narrator. Like I was recently reading a (published) novel where an 18-year-old guy protagonist (who is a pilot and an officer graduate so I'm gonna assume he's in good health to have a sex drive, and we have not been given any reason to believe he's asexual) had a crush on another 18-year-old guy and there was like... NO physical description at all and I was just like, excuse me, have you MET any 18-year-old guys? They're petty and physical as all hell (source: I work with older teenage boys). I think the only physical description we got was that this crush had curly/brown hair and a nice smile. I was like yeaaaaah no. He'd be describing the exact shape of the curve of that other dude's left buttcheek. I'm not saying you need to go that detailed, but like... pick one aspect of the body and focus on it. Because that 18-year-old pilot? Yeah. He wants the booty.

So in that context it doubly bothered me. Not only did we not get any description of either one of the characters, but it also made no sense that we didn't have any descriptions of them.

If I remember correctly I believe I once described my ex as having a lovely curve on both buttcheeks.

Thanks for the guffaws!

I get your thing about authors name dropping brand name stuff. If they are brands that people accept as the generalized name for a product like Oreos or Band-Aids, I'm okay with them. I've also wanted to pull my hair out when we have to read about a character's X brand bag and X brand shoes, etc like the brand was all the description needed. This is on the list of myriad of things I have trouble with for stories marketed towards younger people.

With your comment about no physical descriptions for teenage boys, I also want to throw in the descriptions about all teenage boys being a 6ft+ Adonis with no flaws. I grew up around three brothers and a host of their friends. Yeah, some were muscular hunks but all of them, even the "hot" ones were still going through awkward bodily changes as they grew into their adult bodies. My mom always called my brothers "appetites with legs" and my brothers were the tall, "hot" guys teenage girls often write about.

I am so NOT a visual person IRL that I sometimes don't have a clear picture of what the character looks like unless I have a reference photo! (Seriously. I get lost in my own neighborhood, mistake other people's cars for mine... it's a whole thing).

So it doesn't bother me a lot when there isn't much character description. But I've realized it is important to give people some idea of who you're talking about. I struggle with trying to make it organic, though, particularly when describing a first-person narrator.

I think it is ultimately left up to the author, reader and also the situation overall for the story. For me I went to university to get my writing degrees so there I learned to be more of a visual story teller for showing what happens in my novels instead of just telling about it. So when I write my for my novel on here I always have one of my writing books open and I also have several websites open as well so that when I come across a scene where I want to tell bring out the visuals in my story I have look up descriptive words, replace common words with better descriptive or action words.

For character descriptions to help me out I always try to be as detailed as possible just to provide a visual of what they look like to a certain degree. This helps bring out their personalities, styles, and overall presence they have in my story. I don't go into in depth detail down to the very center because that then leaves some room for the reader themselves to envision how these characters look and how they act.

Sometimes I find myself falling back on old habits of telling instead of showing but then when I look at my work during rewrites I find the places where I do that and then rework it so that it follows more showing than just telling.

For me I love writing detailed descriptions of my characters, for a second I thought you were calling me out ! Haha, but seriously my first chapter was basically a description of my character. I love describing everything, I feel like it's a given if you're writing a novel, just describe everything-- though it's not for everyone I know.

I don't mind it if theres no description for the character, but it makes it hard to empathize with them when I don't remember much about the character except their personality, and a few descriptions here and there, I end up forgetting the small details especially as the story goes on for a long time. I like to remind my readers over and over, though that's just me, if you want an example of what I write.

These are excerpts from my own novel.

"A boy can be seen sleeping in his bed peacefully. With chiseled features and a small button nose and platinum blonde hair that seemed to shine when sunlight hit it, he gave off an ethereal look akin to what many would believe would be an angel. His lips, although thin, were a deep rouge in color. His skin was fair as though he had never worked outside his entire life, but if one looked closely they would see the multitudes of freckles covering a lithe body."

Or for background I sometimes write it out like this:

"It was as big as the soldiers quarters if not bigger. The walls were a deep uninviting gray color; each wall looked as though it were man-made, carved to the utmost perfection with intricate designs in many of the stone. The colors on the ground contrasted heavily with the exterior of the building with the bright friendly flowers planted in front, in reds, yellows, and orange which served to distract visitors from the overwhelmingly haunted aura the building gave, as well as provide a welcome to new guests that decided to visit or enroll into the courses. The surrounding area was devoid of any vegetation, many of the trees were cut down to provide large areas of land where one could see laundry hanging on some of the clothes-line. It made one think if the people taking the courses lived there instead of it being a one time thing."

They're not the best, but they're what I enjoy writing. It's like drawing a picture inside a person's head, but when I read other people's work even the smallest amount of detail can make me imagine the wildest things even if for a short while.

I do the exact same thing, especially for common words...sometimes I would write 'good' as a descriptor. My teacher told me I had the grammar of an elementary schooler, it was embarrassing, so I go onto google to find words that fit the same as the ones I would usually use.