Live action Anime

[Freemints30]

Honestly no i hope the adaptations stop. Like it did in the 2000's. Mostly due to... honestly alot of film adaptation tend to lean into "im taking this to the next step above that silly medium that confines it"

Animation is kinda looked down upon and alot of the time film adaptation tend go for "trying to make it bigger" even thou animation is not a lower form of medium.

That mentality only sorta disappainting when regards to western comics but really thats more adapting some thing from your home country and are aware of for all social and society context and jokes. Even then that mentality is still there. And comparing to marvel doesnt really work cus... marvel has a HUGe buget and are adapting an american product with american staff

Death note, im glad the creator liked it but holy hell that film was still trashy. Ill be the first to admit that creator.. cant write women so...

Netflix really doesnt have (or want to) put in the proper buget. So i rather not see a live action adaption of something like soul eater. The jokes would come off as stiff and creepy and honestly animation is a high tier medium and doesnt need a live action adaption to "elevate it"

If i wanted to watch a western my hero academia live action ill watch sky high

[PrinceLatte]

The mineta bit made me laugh, I want too see that even more now that would be hilarious.

Surprisingly it doesn't need a Marvel budget, you can have the budget and make garbage still. Just the right people with the right visions.

Anime is a medium, so are cartoons, taking something like Demon Slayer or Infinity Train and turing it live action is a challenge.

These are just exaggeration of how real people act, Minetas is a perv and there are plenty of teenagers who are exactly like that.

I agree with you, I think it comes down to when you think about something more the weirder it seems. My favorite cartoon used to be Johnny bravo, and with me saying that people would say, " ewww the pervert misogynist"' Huu? I just think he was funny and cool.

Again, animation and comics set me into wonder as a kid, when I saw Spiderman live action I lost my mind, then marvel got bigger and I went crazy. Then I saw Ruruoni Kensian and was set in awe. All of it was so larger than life, none of it was at all practical and when you look into it it seems very weird. So liberties were taken, for western examples, Robins outfit, Batman turned goofy to badass, Peter Quil wasn't as quirky now he is. Some character deigns and stories are downright silly or makes in sense comics are manga not in the real world.

Here's the thing, a right crew can make things work, while yes some of the time it is about money. I love looking at the work behind these shows and the love put into it, they try there best to bring something that normal wouldn't have been thought off 20 ir 30 years ago and make it happen.

Power Rangers is silly, but this franchise is still kicking, budget sure matters but without right direction you might, have just given it too someone homeless.

[PrinceLatte]

People enjoyed Men in Black, because they didn't know the source material, the ones I talked to that did some downright hated it, I could take Monster (the anime).

Make a beautiful live action and release it, its not a big name anime like the rest, and here's the thing as well.

THEY KEEP MAKING IT MOVIES, some shows just can't work as a stand alone movie, it need a series. Comic book movies were looked down upon at a point, and still is by some people, animation is look at as a genre and not a medium.

Take a pixar film like Wall -e then I can make it live action, the tone totally changed, some don't like it because it's not the source material and some do because it's new and fresh.

I feel bad for these directors who love shows or characters just like the people watching, for it just to be dumped on by the fans.

I hope they never stop and keep pushing for it too be better and better,I will always put animation first, but I won't discourage someone from reenvisaging something.

[PrinceLatte]

If I said it ounce I'll say it again, budget doesn't change something from being bad, you can't throw money at something for it to be good.

In example the God of War voice actor for Kratos was ill for some time, the waited for him to get better before continuing, yet they could have just paid for someone else they had the budget.

Shang-chi was directed by a hawaiian, some of the older comics character jokes couldn't be put in, because new generations wouldn't understand it would be seen as strange or ".wrong"

(Also I'm interested on what you mean, he can't write women, I thought all the girls were great though there weren't many. I'm not done yet no spoilers).

It's not about Netflix wants, they didn't know Umbrella Academy would be a hit, sure it was popular but you would here the alternatives are underground comic readers talking about it. Now you can find a typically guy off the street mentioning it.

Umberlla acemdmys comics storyline is way cooler, but the shwo is it's own thing and its good as well.

Also I didn't really mean Western I meant in general, I'm excited for the One Piece live action, I feel that comic/manga fans hold very high standards.

Marvels works so well because yes the story and visuals are killer but most of it's fans didn't read the comics, when I saw Ant-Man movie I was like "humm shouldn't there be more Iron Man?" Old man Logan even annoyed me, I'm sorry it's called Logan, because those comics were soo good, but the movie was just as good in it's own rights.

I don't know when people started collectively believing anime/manga only works in those retrospective forms and nothing else.

Fun Fact: chainsaw man is heavily inspired by western films, he just using the manga as a medium.

Marvel is loved over seas, I'm sure jokes are lost in translation there as well, shouldn't stop anyone from making something great.

I'll say it again, Speed Racer and Scott Pilgrim killed it. Ghost in a Shell was great, and Alita Battle angle introduced me too the anime which is now in my top 10.

[powerplantanimations]

For me I just hate how Cowboy Bebop is swear city. I laughed so hard at the "Chop of a Mf's balls" line. It's like the writers wanna act tough, but don't know how? Cowboy Bebop swore, sure, but I'm just... baffled that they held back.

Faye isn't even Faye. She's too wacky while the Faye in the anime is much more of a lazy, trashy woman who HAPPENS to kick-ass. Here she's just "OMG I'M SO QUIRKEL!!!! LOL! LMFAO XD".

Turning people into trees instead of monkeys. The idea about Cowboy Bebop was that it was grounded as possible. It makes sense that humans would turn into apes because humans happen to evolve from them. Humans turning into plants is straight up Guardians of the Galaxy lmao.

And the dialouge has the same pacing as a sitcom. Someone did a brilliant video showing how the pacing feels like a Seinfeld episode. I wanna say what made Cowboy Bebop stand-out humor wise was it wasn't your standard anime affair where the punchline is goofy expressions (Radical Ed MAYBE, but still people treated her like she was a weirdo). This type of humor (I wanna call it Joss Whedon humor) is the American equivalent of that.

I think that's what they mean by "cringe".

[ar-ninetysix]

...I'm gonna say it, I honestly love the Cowboy Bebop live-action more than the anime (minus the last 2 episodes) because of how unhinged and Seinfeldy it is. Listen, I like the melancholic and philosophical nature of the anime and I understand that those are sorta the defining features that make everyone say it's classic, but real talk.. that's not a show that makes me wanna go back to it in the future. It's a one and done deal for me, that's as far as my attachment to it goes.

The live-action being messy is kind of what makes it more fun to sit down and enjoy. Everyone seemed like they were expecting the live-action to be a faithful adaptation just by the fact that they had decent sets and costumes, and hey, they even got the Tank! OP and remade the opening sequence for the show! Maybe it'll be Netflix's first good anime adapt- Nah, everyone should've known better.. I'm aware that what I'm saying is sort of a garbage opinion no one's gonna really agree with, but I don't really care what anyone has to say about it lol variety is the spice of life

The way they handled the scripts and the acting was such a risky move against the already established tone of the series, but it's sorta earned my respect for how they stuck with it. My only expectation was having the main trio share some decent chemistry and I felt like they did well on that front, really felt like a dysfunctional found family that constantly annoys each other but loves each other anyways. It reminds me of Guardians of the Galaxy.. which I also enjoy for that same reason heh. The overall plot is somewhat of a highlights reel from the anime but rewritten bc the show does it's own thing with characters.. I was fine with this, I can see how purists would hate it though. The cinematography was stylish and experimental, the CGI usage was done pretty well, and the music.. I thought it fit the vibe really well, but people say it's bland and forgettable? (I felt that way about the anime's OST, but whatever. Can't say much else about it.)

I thought it was going great until until the last two episodes. That's apparently when they decided, "no, now we're gonna take ourselves seriously.." And then they try to go back to the original tone they established by.. introducing Ed in the absolute worst way possible at the last second. But uhhhh, putting all that aside- I was genuinely bummed to hear that it got cancelled. I know everyone else and their mother was celebrating it being over, but being someone that wasn't expecting much and ended up enjoying the show for the most part anyways.. it just felt like it got a bunch of unnecessary hate across the board. From purists and bandwagoners alike.

Maybe this is all me and my low standards tho? Idk- I'm the one having fun, so who's really winning here?

[PrinceLatte]

Interesting take, Ill have to finish the anime then watch the show

[PrinceLatte]

I like the way you think dude esspacially the last line, sometimes I think. Am I the one with low standards, I remember as a kid everyone was raving about the more popular movies and meanwhile I'm over here gawking over Surfs up (which I still love).

I heard about it being canceled, I swear people can ruin a good thing. Watch in a few years peopel will say how its a masterpiece but now it's too late

[rajillustration]

Oh man the Netflix cowboy Bebop remake was freakin WILD. Like it was so strange that they spent millions of dollars on it (it had a MASSIVE budget of like some say 6 million dollars an episode) but the writing was BAD. It had moments of "ah, we got somewhere, this is getting interesting, I'm feeling like the characters are having depth" and then it'd just toss it out the window with sarcastic quips that were lame as hell and sprint in a completely different artistic direction, like there was too many cooks in the kitchen.

And like this is a problem with the original Cowboy Bebop, he wanted every single episode to feel like it's own contained movie and genre that could be watched separately. The show however, tried to make a coherent plot that passes from episode to episode, but in a different style, and that sucked because it was competing with itself.

So there was so much CGI explosions because this is an action film, and some of those scenes had very difficult stunts (that apparently Cho did himself) and was genuinely fun and impressive--but only on some. There were other moments of hard to see fight scenes in the dark where it was like...so they kept this huh? This fighty scene that just looks like boys slapping eachother?

Every part of Cowboy Bebop from the sets, to the costuming, to the acting, had so many weird directions it was going in each episode, that it had both the best and the very worst (and was most of the time, worst.) The actors did the best they could do with a bad situation, they did have a good chemistry, but damn those scripts stunk. The camera work had more dutch angles than should ever be in a TV show, too, which made it even more confusing.

It would be like, all of a sudden it's Moulin Rouge, with lots of colorful characters in a space bar that teeters on offensive. Then it changed hats again and we ended up in a Tarantino movie, and everyone's heads are getting chopped off, and there's blood everywhere--some guy is threatening to eat everyone's balls and he's doing so unironically as if this is actually a cool thing to do. At one point it Great Gatsby's with Viscous running a guy over in his car and they run off to some hotel. It keeps changing it's mind of what it wants to be--is it a silly fun time with sarcastic dialogue, or are we ever getting serious?

That for me, was the problem with Netflix's Cowboy Bebop, just never stuck to one thing, it wanted to be everything, which is impossible.

And a different problem than other anime adaptations which suffered from a lack of budget and direction. This was...too much direction.

[PrinceLatte]

This is a fresh take, I'll have to watch the anime and I'll doo and update on both this and the live action. I'll share my thoughts on it then

[bloodstained.skies]

Western media have no balls, they can't show things as directly as anime and they just want to please the audience (for example by changing the whole point of the story so the American teenagers will comfortably watch what they understand). They won't show this or that because it may upset these and those people. Also, getting deeper into philosophy and psychology is a big no-no, just throw some special effects and it will be fine 🤷‍♀️

[aqua03]

Yeah, I honestly hate the fact that a lot of american adaptations feel the need to make things more raucous and vulgar than their original counterparts in an attempt to see, "mature."

Liek sure, the original Cowboy Bebop was mature, but it was a "scotch on the rocks listening to jazz" type of mature if that makes sense, not "raucous college party" mature that a lot of wetsern screenwriters seem to do for a lot of mature works if that makes sense.

(Which is a shame because I was initially hyped for the live action Bebop because i was hungry for a big campy space adventure)

[powerplantanimations]

I would've been SO DOWN for a big campy space adventure. Like that one episode where Ed finds those mushrooms. That would've been so COOL. Or maybe don't even remake it at all. Just make it all side adventures from the anime or whatever. I dunno.

But what kinda bugs me the most is out of ALL the anime, Cowboy Bebop would've been the perfect translation to an American TV Show. It's not like you're adapting big monsters or whatever or you have characters with goofy hair. Maybe tone down Ed a bit and just have her act like a regular ADD child and you're golden lol.

[aqua03]

Yeah, the biggest problem with adapting Ed is the fact that her main "joke" in the anime was the fact that she acted and looked like she was a completely different show than the others. Translating that into a live action medium instead of animation would have been incredibly hard to do right.

[powerplantanimations]

I'd argue it's the easiest. Especially after meeting some of my younger relatives. I was just like "Ohhhhhh okay. You just make them a kid". The cool thing about Ed was you're looking at the Cowboy Bebop universe from the eyes of a kid. Just have her ask goofy questions while being incredibly smart and saying regular kid stuff. You don't even have to have the kid say technojargon just show her tapping on the computer and making goofy noises and then "Oh shoot, she opened the door!".

[powerplantanimations]

Netflix just announced a live-action My Hero Academia. Really curious what them costumes are gonna look like now lmao.

My Hero Academia Live-Action Movie Heads to Netflix, Obi-Wan Writer Attached -...

[NellieVP318]

Just saw the news and I know for the fact the My Hero Academia Live Action movie is gonna use a heck lot of CGI.

[powerplantanimations]

An UNGODLY amount. I hope they keep all the students Japanese. It would be so lame if they just place everything in the United States. Probably the thing that made MHA so different was the fact was that it WAS in Japan. I've been seeing so many X-Men-inspired stories in the United States that it's getting old.

Btw calling it now, The Rock is totally playing Allmight.

Oh God... is this going to be an angsty High School drama???

[PrinceLatte]

the thing is sorta like with 4kidz, teens and kids love to see other cultures and new things but for some reasons exsecs and others can seem to get that through their head.

[PrinceLatte]

lowkey excited I hope they give it the avengers endgame treatment as far as production