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Go back to see if you want to keep the likes? Meaning you'll take them away if you don't?

I did see the likes come in

When I go back to read, and I'm removing likes by any chance, it means I'm already engaging with your work full on, so you'll be getting more likes on the way.

And no, I don't plan to take away the likes, it's just that I don't want to give the creator the impression that I'm leaving empty likes.

aha! Got it.
I Thought you meant: i like x parts now, when I read and its not my thing, I take the likes away xD

No, no, haha. I subbed because I like your work in the first place.

Hence the 'sub only if you like'. No one, I believe, would want to bring the author down if they are subbing because they are interested in your work, and not doing it to bribe their likes on their own work. What happened to you is plain mean.

I have 28 subs right now, and only a few comment and respond to my posts. I just randomly found this thread, but I can totally relate! I used to leave empty likes a lot, but I genuinely love the works I'm subscribed to ^^

I think I'm missing something - does a creator lose out if they have a lot of subs but not many likes? Suddenly I think I'm glad I don't have so many subs, haha!

I've had a few people offer to trade sub for sub, but I only want to read comics I'm interested in myself (whether or not they've subscribed to mine) and there's only so much time. Nobody's been upset when I've explained that so far :slight_smile:

I prefer the genuine subs and likes too. You are lucky @sunkitten that your sub exchange has worked. I've done them in the past and the stories usually aren't something I enjoy or if I do subscribe and keep reading as a courtesy, the person I did the exchange with usually never honors their end.

The problem is not you, the problem is the algorithms that are still living in the Golden Age of the self-publishing of the 2012-2015 when everything was new and shiny, and there was not that much good quality, completed stories. Now, you have them in oodles, so people simply do not have time to pour out love on the creators, even the most successful and beloved ones.

I remember back in 2009 when Best Served Cold came out, and they had Joe Abercrombie's e-mail address on it. I wrote how much I loved the story and the main character and he responded with thanks and a couple of comments on the character(!) I was OVER THE MOON!

Joe's latest book? I struggled for a few chapters TWICE, said meh, and dropped it off. And I still like his every post on Twitter, lol. Love Joe, can't get into his book.

Those were the times... now, less and less people want to engage. We are fatigued. We are exhausted by the endless entertainment options calling to us from every internet and streaming corner. We live in the weird culture when people wouldn't pick up short stories, but would read 2 to 5 chapters of a 100K words story and drift away, distracted. And the chapters are becoming shorter and shorter!

Lol, I am reading Grisham's Firm atm, that gripping thriller? 40 pages in, and it is the repetition of the same thing, the thing i had already picked up on in page 3. If it was online? I'd be scrolling through or dropping, because booooring.

The algorithms are not yet adjusted to this behavior, they don't get it that someone even clicking on one chapter and staying to the end of it, is already a huge win!

Wake up, algorithms and smell the roses: 2012 ain't coming back.

That's why I'm trying to avoid subscribing to some books at the moment. Don't want to hurt their books by subbing and not being able to read it for a long time so I end up supporting them on their social media instead.

And this emphasis on subs is really a Catch 22 for the novels.

Even if the novel is 100-150K words, and you slice it thin, it is still a short run with daily updates... so you will be done fast. And once you are done, what's the point of people subbing?

So, a strong, polished, preloaded novel will have much shorter window of the opportunity to fish for its subs. Because, no, the audience for a novel doesn't show up every day to browse through every novel showing up in Fresh.

I mean, isn't a point of a novel to be complete and available to read the WHOLE thing, beginning to end? And if it's the case, what do you need to sub for?

If the writer is diligent, and uploads daily, why sub? It would only plug your feed, and irritate you if you don't check the site every day.

If they don't upload daily, how many books can you read with any ability to keep the plot in mind and characters in your heart every three to seven or fourteen days?

This just encourages a really low quality reading experience, when you read multiple chapters of multiple stories per day in a scattered fashion. No wonder people don't engage! I mean, I had been reading like that for three years, reading a dozen or more books simultaneously, every day, and it is tiring as heck. Particularly when I have to provide feedback on something I've last read like a month or two ago? Lol. If I remember the name of their love interest, gold star!

It also pushes to the top the stories with disjointed structure and overtly titillating characters rather than a strong, engaging storyline and nuanced story-telling.

Anyway, yeah, weird. I am willing to give time and heart to the other creators, but the way the algorithms interpret engagement and what they reward makes it less enjoyable.

@domisotto Makes excellent points about engagement and the algorithms. Behavior is key. For me, there's only been a handful of stories I go check out every update because the story is naturally to me. I don't always comment but I read and give likes. There are other stories I've read, they are good but are on the back burner. I have every intention of continuing to read them but now isn't the time.

The other thing for me is how much "advertising" something gets. As a kid, I loved superheroes. I still love them to an extent. Now, because the media is oversaturated with superhero stuff, I won't watch it. There is only a few superhero fan faction stuff I still read. The same thing applies to other online pieces of fiction, I'll read it because I want to not because I'm forced or obliged to.

The best we can do is keep the stories we aren't reading on neutral grounds.

I'll bookmark things I'm interested in but can't read for awhile. That way I can find it later and read/subscribe but I'm not an empty sub

Yes! Good point. I'm writing it up there.

yeah, but without the repository of the completes stories, it is going to bypass a lot of writers, who'd finish their novel, and end up in the 'later' pile... I dunno. Tapas is great, by they need to do better where completed is concerned.

Ideally, your sub library should work as your reading queue WITHOUT penalizing the author.

Should we tag the Tapas team on this one? I don't know if we should...