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[PapaDom]

[IdiotWithPencil]

Things don't have to be 100% similar to be compared and to work in comparative marketing. If what I as a consumer care about is "space" there is a cross appeal in Cow boy bepop, Carole and Tuesday, Voltron and Finale Space.

yeah and they usually have zero of each demographic mi god XD, just because they have "cross appeal dosen't mean it will work"

A Mac Book and a Lenovo Laptop going at it as "I am you but better" or "for lovers of X products" is the exact same thing as books and films doing this.

yes but it dosen't work in moveis or book as many example I give you you seem to be ignoring them
Eragon couldn't compete with Star wars and it was basically fnatasy starwars. Percy jackson could beat HP even though many say it's better than HP, maze runner didn't even get a seconed movie compared to HG

I'm litterally repeting myself so much I don't know what else to say XD

So you think that all publishers and entertainment companies and marketing companies are doing marketing wrong...?

This is honestly your conclusion.

Lol.

the numbers don't lie, just look at how many movies boombed last year that where basically copying another more succesful franchise(like trying to create a cinematic univers cause of marvel) or how many books are left with 0 movies or serie deals (cause they where following on HG foots steps).

if the numbers don't add up what other conclusion can I come to but that the way things are going is not the right way

money talks and these numbers are screaming

[saintc]

"cross appeal dosen't mean it will work"

But it works, consistently. You're making broad claims that are not adding up.

Daybreak and The Walking Dead.
Under The Dome and The Society.
A court of Thorne and Roses and Serpent and Dove.
Etc.

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If it didn't work you wouldn't be required by a publisher to submit your work with comparative titles. You're concluding it didn't work because you think X show did not make as much money. What lol.

[saintc]

If anything not being able to be compared to anything else is a reason why you won't be picked up by a publisher to read. Readers like familiar things. Publishers like banking on things that they know they can sell.

[IdiotWithPencil]

Yeah but just because you say that - doesn’t mean it’s true. AAVE and other slang English exists and isn’t in the dictionary - so it can’t be true.

well with that logic mjpnt is just as much a word as any other cause it's a slang, should I prove it I prove it cause I say it is and everybody I know uses it, prove I'm wrong.

slang has 0 evidence or basis other than the user saying it has, that's why academic papers and debates use technical language I.E approved by the governing body of said language.

Nah. At real debates you’d have been stopped long ago for having not done your research. You’d have been asked to quote your sources. Oh sorry, I mean, “appeal to authority”.

you have not quoted the sources you have been saying read my sources very different.

Are you aware how academia works? Also did you write the dictionary then? Becuse you’re appealing to that an awful lot.

I have never said, as the dictionary says or used the dictionary as a shield for my argument, I have been saying "I will accept the governing body's definition of the said word as the true definition" as my argument.
I have never used in this argument any outside source or authority to govern my ideas or defending my position I.E the dictionary said X therefore my position Y is defended or is correct.
not like some people who can only parrot "read my bible read my bible if you don't I won't debate"

[saintc]

Anyway, we need to tell the author of Children of Blood and Bone that her book should have flopped because it was COMP titled as African Avatar and she needs to give up are NYT best seller spot, 6 figure book deal and series deal. Lmao.

[KRWright]

well with that logic mjpnt is just as much a word as any other cause it's a slang, should I prove it I prove it cause I say it is and everybody I know uses it, prove I'm wrong.

Ok. Show me one linguistic study about your dialect that includes a corpus that includes that word. I’ll wait. Because that’s how OTHER slang and language is studied.

you have not quoted the sources you have been saying read my sources very different.

Just because you don’t want to watch it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

"I will accept the governing body's definition of the said word as the true definition"

Ah and now we get into discussions about WHOSE governing body and who has power over language. Because you’ll find that you’re overwhelmingly arguing here I. Favour of one group representing the whole of humankind in what is allowed and now allowed to be a word and that’s ALWAYS gonna be hugely problematic. I bet South Africa or France or Aus would all have contradictory guidance.

read my bible read my bible if you don't I won't debate"

Weird. I never quoted the Bible. But apparently Oliver Thorn is terrifying to you. I’m not going to breech his copy right by copying his scripts here to quote, but I did link his video in its entirety and, weirdly, it’s all relevant.

[IdiotWithPencil]

But it works, consistently. You're making broad claims that are not adding up.

no it dosen't, I have given you multiple instances where it hasn't and your original examples have been dismantled and you haven't been able to prove my dismanteling wrong

If it didn't work you wouldn't be required by a publisher to submit your work with comparative titles. You're concluding it didn't work because you think X show did not make as much money. What lol.

and you are saying it does cause Y show amde money. What lol.

If anything not being able to be compared to anything else is a reason why you won't be picked up by a publisher to read. Readers like familiar things. Publishers like banking on things that they know they can sell.

oh you can compare products, you just can compare them by the standard product marketing sense. I.E I have more durable tieres defore I am better.
in the industry you can't say that you have better characters or more well defined stories and themes than the rest cause the rest will say the same thing. the enetertainment market is too subjective.

[saintc]

in the industry you can't say that you have better characters or more well defined stories and themes than the rest cause the rest will say the same thing. the enetertainment market is too subjective.

Now you're not making much sense. "Goodness" of anything is highly subjective and dependent on the market. A phone can be "objectively" faster, but it is not "better" because it is faster because different consumers have different wants. Shaving stick companies rank up price because a shaving stick is pink and it looks "lady like."

Discord "team speak for readers."
Children of Blood and Bone "African Avatar."
The Witcher "What we watch because the last season of GOT was trash."

and you are saying it does cause Y show amde money. What lol.

I'm telling you, as someone in marketing. It is extremely bizarre that you're trying to trout that the MAIN method of selling entertainment (comparative marketing)... does not work LOL.

[IdiotWithPencil]

Anyway, we need to tell the author of Children of Blood and Bone that her book should have flopped because it was COMP titled as African Avatar and she needs to give up are NYT best seller spot, 6 figure book deal and series deal. Lmao.

congrats you found a successful book, now tell me how similar to Got is it or how to the witcher is it?
oh wait it's to copy avatar a show that ended years ago and basically has been tried to be recreated by nick since then
yeah call me when the book can compete with avatar in both money and market appeale and isn't just the next "new york times best seller" like the rest of new york times books

god are you just gonna continue serching and scraping for anything that can be consider a copy of another thing?
this book dosen't pander to current fads it is trying to be it's own thing outside of the current popular trend of YA wich is reteling of old fary tales stories.

also unless your JK.Rolling or GRRM you having a "successful" book is nothing, show me the sales figures and then we will talk. spoiler warning harry potters last book sold 500M so if thei book could sell half as much I will give it a compliment

[IdiotWithPencil]

Now you're not making much sense. "Goodness" of anything is highly subjective and dependent on the market. A phone can be "objectively" faster, but it is not "better" because it is faster because different consumers have different wants. Shaving stick companies rank up price because a shaving stick is pink and it looks "lady like."

my god you where the one saying movies compete with eachother on who is better, now your saying that has nothing to do with it. Make up you mind I say.

I'm telling you, as someone in marketing. It is extremely bizarre that you're trying to trout that the MAIN method of selling entertainment (comparative marketing)... does not work LOL.

I am saying it dosen't work cause copying the main players won't make money like trying something completly diffrent.
as a marketing person you must have heard about the pasta sauce story with the crunchy pasta being sold more

enterntainment is like pasta sauce, you can make it as close to the competition as possible but the first one to make the crunchy pasta sauce will be the actual winner

Also I'm also a marketing person and I can tell you right now, entertainment is diffrent from products. fad in products aren't so fluid and subjective it's incremental. In entertainment one day it's purple and the other day it's yellow

they barley have anything in common and you just comparing series (even when they have literally 0 commond traits other than simple superficial stuff) shows that your marketing knowledge is woefully shallow.

if you can't get out of the bubble of all marketing is correct cause that's what I've been taught then sorry you are missing the forest for the trees.

[saintc]

also unless your JK.Rolling or GRRM you having a "successful" book is nothing, show me the sales figures and then we will talk. spoiler warning harry potters last book sold 500M so if thei book could sell half as much I will give it a compliment

We've gone from "You cannot do comparative marketing" to unless you're JK Rolling you don't count as successful LOL.

yeah call me when the book can compete with avatar in both money and market appeale and isn't just the next "new york times best seller" like the rest of new york times books

But this is not the point of comparative marketing.

The thousands of Chinese copy phones are not trying to directly compete with Apple, they are trying to make a PROFIT and profit they do make while holding on to apple's coat tail.

By your own logic, no non-entertainment company is successful unless it does as well as the company with the largest market share.

[TAMAnnoying]

Question is there more to it then just him in pictures with dude? I only ask cause if that’s all we got for “planing” then I’m dating all my friends and super lesbian x3 also is this a comic series I can read?

[KRWright]

By this metric once one successful thing is created - everything else may as well give up and go home lol

[saintc]

Romance is the most popular genre, so no other genre exists.

[KRWright]

Romance is the most popular genre, so no other genre exists.

Twilight exists therefore no more romance can compete lol

[saintc]

my god you where the one saying movies compete with eachother on who is better

It seems you need examples of what "better" means in this context.

A surface pro is not "better" than a gaming PC because of some intrinsic factor. It is "better" to a certain audience (eg students, business workers.)

"I am you, but better" is supposed to be heavily dependent on the audience being pandered to.

"I am you but better" could mean a more diverse cast, world building focusing on something readers were interested about in some other books etc.

[IdiotWithPencil]

The thousands of Chinese copy phones are not trying to directly compete with Apple, they are trying to make a PROFIT and profit they do make while holding on to apple's coat tail.

By your own logic, no non-entertainment company is successful unless it does as well as the company with the largest market share.

the largest market share is huawei my god they are low end phones while apple and android are high end. apple and android are fighting for about 20% of the phone market (rich people in 1st world countries with more money than brains) while huawei is eating up 50% of the low end and middle end phone market. They don't compete with I-phone they compete with Nokia and other low end phones.

We've gone from "You cannot do comparative marketing" to unless you're JK Rolling you don't count as successful LOL.

Oh and what would count as succesful then?
I got 5 dollars for making a comic am I succesful?
I do fan art and make 50 dollars am I sucessful?

what's the bench mark for sucessfull if not the cream of the cream?

By your own logic, no non-entertainment company is successful unless it does as well as the company with the largest market share.

and by your logic everybody is succesfull as long as they get to sell one book
look if your gonna say that a book that copies another book is just as succesful as a book who is doing its own thing don't be suprised when people start asking to compare the sales figures.

[saintc]

I got 5 dollars for making a comic am I succesful?I do fan art and make 50 dollars am I sucessful?

Revenue is not profit. Go on google, figure out the difference and come back. You're the one horning the dictionary here, at LEAST arm yourself with the words you need to talk to me.

[joannekwan]

All of Overwatch's canon lore is told through comics, short stories, and cinematics from different pov's of its various characters, some with intertwining plots. Soldier's past love life isn't a big part of the overall plot of Overwatch as a whole, but it is stated in canon (pdf link) that this man in the picture with him was his romantic partner in the past.