Surprise LGBT characters

[saintc]

Also how much do you need to break even since you seem to know?

You should have googled break even. To break even you have to exceed Total cost of production (implicit [capital costs for instance] + explicit [wages etc]) to break even and start making profit.

E.G.

My laptop is $1200, my writing/editing software is $50, I pay $200 for a cover my TP is $1450.
I have to earn past $1450 to break even and start making a profit.

[IdiotWithPencil]

Revenue - Cost of production = Profit.$1 - $2 (price of pencil) = $-1.

my god have you read proyect validation and management yet? cause that proyect failed miserably

This is you. You cannot make ridiculous comparations like this because CP is a thing. (Capital cost)

yes I can I made 10001 in revenu and 10000 in pruduction cost=1 in profit hurray I'm JKR now

On a none ridiculous level. A self-published writer who has made $100,000 this year (romance writers do make this much) with a production cost of $5000 total is a success.

yes it is, and in your eyes so is somebody who made 1 dollar in revenue

again where is your threshold? how much profit is needed for a sucess? if any profit is a succes than 1 dollar is the same success as 1M dollars

[IdiotWithPencil]

You should have googled break even. To break even you have to exceed Total cost of production (implicit [capital costs for instance] + explicit [wages etc]) to break even and start making profit.

my god reading comprehension is lost on you isin't it

Also how much do you need to break even since you seem to know?is it 100 sold books? 1k? 100k? 1M? what is the number you have to hit if you want to be in the NYT BS list?cause seriously I see that title everywhere I go

I was talking about NYTBS list, how many books would you need to sell with NYT to be in the best seller list, they have they have a baseline cost called budget so how much is that budget and how many books would you have to sell to be in NYTBS list?

My laptop is $1200, my writing/editing software is $50, I pay $200 for a cover my TP is $1450.I have to earn past $1450 to break even and start making a profit.

so basically if you sell let's say a book at 10$ just for argument's sake you sell 150 books and hurray you are now a NYT best seller next to JK and all the other...

that's really is a low bar -_-

[33rdCenturyCaveman]

On one hand, stories not like other products in that they not interchangeable. On other hand, stories be interchangeable. Both can be true.

Stories are like dreams for groups of people. They arise out of societal needs and reflect elements of cultural experience. Every big event always followed by books and movies, and not just because topical things sell. They am way for society to digest said event. After every war, there am war stories. Vietnam gave us characters of Rambo and The Punisher as way of embodying stereotype of dangerous PTSD-riddled Vietnam vet. It interesting to note that to my knowledge this has remained consistent part of Frank Castle's backstory, with the consequence that he ages in real time while rest of Marvel Comics am stuck in comic-book time.

Anyway, in this sense stories am not interchangeable products. They arise out of specific circumstances and am received in specific circumstances. Whether success or failure, results am impossible to duplicate -- it like trying to step into same river twice. This explain why nobody has been able to duplicate success of Terminator 2, despite all the money thrown at the problem. Terminator-2-shaped-hole already filled by Terminator 2, thankyuvurrumuch.

At the same time, acceptable substitute for specific stories exist, otherwise genres would not exist. Cultural zeitgeist aside, people tend to like certain kinds of for their own personal reasons. The Witcher may not be perfectly-interchangeable with The Hobbit but fans of both see more similarities than differences.

[IdiotWithPencil]

my god this thread has gone way of topic =0

[saintc]

again where is your threshold? how much profit is needed for a sucess? if any profit is a succes than 1 dollar is the same success as 1M dollars

Then we need to talk about financing costs for continuation. (Google what financing means, and what this means in regards to businesses making sure they keep running.) This would apply to the company as a whole, not one product.

To me, a product has broken even and "earns its keep" is a success. (Earns its keep will refer to it meeting target margins, and they are different from product to product.) If someone is an entrepreneur and a $1 profit is good for them, that's good.

[TAMAnnoying]

Indubitably but that’s nothing new for this forum

[saintc]

I agree with you, though, I'm not a fan of the "put art on a pedestal" slant.
Very important things---things we need, are products and are marketed as products. Food, medicine etc.

Many of our favorite books today were "pop fiction" written for serialization. Written for money. A lot of books from this era were extremely long because authors were being paid by the word. Does the fact that they were commercial fiction make them any less "good"?

I don't think so.

[IdiotWithPencil]

If someone is an entrepreneur and a $1 profit is good for them, that's good.

ok then basically in your eyes all books in NYT are of the same quality as HP HG Got etc. Regarless of actual quality good to know 150 is the same as 500M in your eyes

Then we need to talk about financing costs for continuation.

it's called proyect validation and management where I come from I.E this proyect can only be succesfull if it brings back a minimum of 15% of the investment cost in profit. so in my eyes if you can't atleast compete with 15% of what the big guys a make (15% is basically the default of proyect validation) then sorry you aren't part of the big boys

that's why I was saying a copies will never be the next big thing cause they can never make the same as what they are copying. at least in the entertainment industry.

Also copy =/= inspiration just to kill that thing right now

[TAMAnnoying]

@saintc @IdiotWithPencil guys guys; tax session was last month. Chill with the money talk.

[IdiotWithPencil]

sorry, they where saying money talk and the conversation started heading into business from that XD
Edit: I think this has gone long enough I'm dropping this is tiring and we aren't seeing eye to eyes so I say agree to disagree and let's just move on

[saintc]

ok then basically in your eyes all books in NYT are of the same quality as HP HG Got etc. Regarless of actual quality good to know 150 is the same as 500M in your eyes

Profit does not dictate quality... Where did you pick this up from LOL.

it's called proyect validation and management where I come from I.E this proyect can only be succesfull if it brings back a minimum of 15% of the investment cost in profit. so in my eyes if you can't atleast compete with 15% of what the big guys a make (15% is basically the default of proyect validation) then sorry you aren't part of the big boys

This applies to companies as a whole as I mentioned. An animation studio, for instance, determining what product has earned its keep.

For entrepreneurs (or simple partnerships), the game changes a bit.

[saintc]

guys guys; tax session was last month. Chill with the money talk.

Lmao, I'm sorry! Don't worry.

[TAMAnnoying]

I just don’t want the thread to get so far away from the topic x3

I liked the mention of solider 66, I think when it comes to things like pvp games it’s fair to have your characters bring up their LGTB status in comics and books since it’s not gonna happen IN the pvp game, and anyone that complains about that might just be bias about the idea of representation.

[saintc]

I think this has gone long enough I'm dropping this is tiring and we aren't seeing eye to eyes so I say agree to disagree and let's just move on

Goodbye I enjoyed picking your brain as someone in marketing. Maybe one day we will talk specifically about how books are marketed, acquired, and what dictates their success in the industry.

[33rdCenturyCaveman]

Me saying it can be both. Something can be both commercially successful and culturally significant. Daytime job can be lifetime vocation. It possible to cater to audience without pandering to audience. Shakespeare was in theater business to make money but it not all bawdy jokes.

[IdiotWithPencil]

Goodbye I enjoyed picking your brain as someone in marketing. Maybe one day we will talk specifically about how books are marketed, acquired, and what dictates their success in the industry.

and maybe some day you will actually stop double speaking and actually have a conversation, instead of affirming one thing and then denying it later

[saintc]

It possible to cater to audience without pandering to audience.

I would think this was one and the same? Pandering does mean to cater to? Or maybe we're working on different definitions.

But yes, I agree, someone can love the life out of their job. I do love mine!

I do think we're talking about the split between passion Literary works and Commercial fiction, which I guess makes sense.

[IdiotWithPencil]

Me saying it can be both. Something can be both commercially successful and culturally significant.

Most thing are in entertainment, mostly what's succesfull is culturally relevant since it's what's most popular and what people start copying

[saintc]

and maybe some day you will actually stop double speaking and actually have a conversation, instead of affirming one thing and then denying it later

Lad, I do my thing, and what I get out of it speaks for itself.

Maybe what I'm doing doesn't work, and I am just "lucky", and I am glad to fall into luck 33 times over.