Thoughts on the new Webtoon Contest?

[Zushi]

I agree. Purple hyacinth will definitely be in the top 8 no doubt. With how heavily they promoted the series (5 or 6 times? I lost count but it was a lot. The most I've ever seen), and the amount of subscribers it garnered as well as likes, views and comments, it definitely set the bar high for popularity. I don't think webtoons will risk not having Purple Hyacinth win after investing in it through promotion and with that many subscribers. Plus, Sophism has a huge following on Instagram now (10k+ followers) and made an ost for the comic. So I think that is pretty much set in stone.
As for the other categories, I believe Lalin's curse has a high chance in "most gripping" due to the promotion once again (I think it got promoted 3-4 times). Fantasy might be a toss up as I didn't really notice a consistent promotion of any series and same with comedy. But in the end I think they'll choose 1 "obvious" winner for each category and then one "not obvious" winner in conjunction so it will seem Webtoons is judging fairly somewhat. But that's just my theory

[AllisonGal]

I agree with you Zushi, they might throw in 1 or 2 more average comics to hide their dirty cheating ways and make it look like they were fair.

[darthkrievos]

Even without all the promotion Lalin's curse deserve to get in the top 8. If Lalin's curse doesn't get into the top 8 I'll be really pissed.

[antimekii]

If I remember correctly, The Badguys won the superhero contest.

Superhero contest result was:
1 The Badguys
2 Supersonic Girl
Unordinary and idk what the other one is

3 of those aren't Manhwa/Manga style and was quite an underdog back then? So Don't give up

Edit wait. I confused the 2nd sci-fi contest winner with the superhero one lol Also the past contests always had underdogs in the prizes.

[Haku]

Lol! Interesting, to see my comic on your friend's predictions, ofc sorted by "popularity". But I wanted to say that Webtoons didn't even promote my comic on recommended until like a few days before the deadline, and this when they were rotating a bunch of other contest entries too. I know it only got a lot of subs because I advertised it on my other main webtoon. There are a ton of really really great entries in the Epic category that I definitely think needed more attention. Even now, I'm still unsure who will win in this category because I can't place what WT is looking for/what their story criteria is.

[potootie]

I've personally read your series. Kudos to you, you pull off the action sequences really well. I do disagree with your claim, though, that being promoted later has a different effect from being promoted earlier. Last week was still well within the contest duration, and being featured on Recommended Titles still has the same pronounced effect on views/subscriptions and such. Also, the fact that you were promoted at all proves that you're part of Webtoon's consideration pool, so I wouldn't argue that things are as unsure as you say.

[Haku]

Ahh I wasn't claiming that me being promoted later was a different effect, I just wanted to point out that it's a case by case scenario. Any promotion in general is better than none, but I don't want people to feel like my subs were gained because of "Early official promotion" like some people are saying about other titles. It was mostly because I advertised it a bunch of times from my other webtoon, which already has a large following. And ofc it helped bring it up under the radar, no doubt about that. If they noticed that then I'm sure they will put that consideration in judging about the engagement. I just wish the best of luck to other titles because they really need to be seen too, I'm definitely rooting for some of the underdog ones

[Nachi]

Having a webtoon with already a large following is the greatest advertisement one can get, I suppose. Lucky you I haven't gotten to reading your comic, yet, but the art seems nice from the first glance, so I am definitely going to. Good luck with the contest, too

As for the promotion thing, I got promoted, too, to my great surprised as at that time I had like 43 subs and therefore were somewhere far away on the popularity scale. It just means, however, that the Webtoon team really goes through all the submissions, which is great. It must be a lot of work

[seru]

I really wish they didn't include audience engagement as a major part of the judging process.

:)) Then again, it's their contest.

Good luck to everyone!

[Haku]

Thanks so much! And congrats on the promotion There's really some great series I've noticed on the recommended reel, under 1k subs. The contest is really bringing out some of the best. I'm kinda all into that spirit, no matter if people think it's rigged or not I've had a lot of fun at least.

[darthkrievos]

I have to disagree with you on that, what's the point in Webtoons featuring a comic that nobody likes, just because a few people at Webtoons HQ thinks it's good, doesn't mean that the average reader will also like it.

It would be a waste of time and money to try to shove a bad series down our throats

[seru]

as a major part of the judging process.

I could have worded it differently. As it stands, audience impact takes 40% of the judging.

(Side note: Lezhin's contest doesn't take into account audience engagement)

Usually, audience impact only accounts for 10-20% of the contestant's score, sometimes even lower. The judges who know more about the industry ultimately get to decide if your comic has what it takes.

[addstract]

Hmm. I’m not a creator but even i could tell the competition was biased and unfair. Im obsessed w/ reading webtoons and read so many great contest entries (there are so many good ones who entered!!!) but i have to say some of the webtoons at the top of the list have a really mediocre story. Subs and views were just maximaised because of the heavy and biased promotion + amazing art. Now these webtoons are relatively easy to find; a webtoon with good art and a large audience can easily fool us readers into thinking that the story must be amazing as well.

These webtoons are still at a huge advantage despite having alright stories. Let’s consider a webtoon recieves a whopping 40% on the audience engagement criteria. However, lets say on genre specific attributes/pacing/clarity/strong narrative and characters, it recieves ..just a 35%. This webtoon would still have 75% overall!!

Now idk how they’ll judge the popularit ranking because it was DEFINITELY biased. They might make it relative to each webtoon (compring likes with own comments with own subs and own views) or they might make it linear where the webtoon with most subs has 40% and the webtoon with least has 0%. But this would be incredibly unfair. It says they judge ‘audience engagement’ so i reckon they might judge it through interaction of readers thru comments and how often they return to that specific webtoon, and not by how popular it is. However popularity still helps achieving this, and this is where webtoon was too biased with some of the comics.

Let’s just imagine they do end up judging where the webtoon with most subs+comments+views has 40%
and the least has 0%. If a webtoon with 10k subs is compared with the one who has most (182k subs i belive.) it would recieve around 5% in the audience engagement criteria. Even if it scored 60% in the other part, the biased webtoons would still win.

[Edgmont]

By that logic you could also ask why are they allowing old discover comics( and their fanbase) as contest entries. I mean, there're many super popular webtoons on discover since months or even years ago, and they weren't picked as featured. Why would Line choose them now just for being in the contest, especially when they're looking for new stuff they didn't find on discover? It just doesn't make sense. It's probably just to generate more traffic at the cost of discover authors' fanbase, but they're not real options to win.

[beta1042]

I think the underlying reason behind the contest was because they want those popular discover artists to make comics that align more with what they want in a featured artist. Essentially- they're not 100% in love with their original ideas(for whatever reason), but what could they make in the name of a contest geared toward getting featured? In other words, what do these already popular people think is gonna make them even more popular?

As well as it's a test to see which ones have fanbases that will follow them the creator regardless of what comic they make. My guess is they want a lucrative comic but even more they want a marketable creator.

[Edgmont]

Exactly, which brings again the topic about the unfair contest for newbies. Old discover entries and new artists are just filler.

[Emevsa]

There's a chance that webtoons may take that into account. I think the biggest thing is that it's hard to say how this contest will go purely because of the "engagement" factor. Also the fact that the entries have not been equally promoted. I followed some really excellent series which were promoted only to then not qualify for the contest as they didn't do enough episodes when there were others that had qualified but did not receive a look in.

All in all I will say that the opportunity has been good but the way it has been run has left some with a sour taste in their mouths.

I really think that this wouldhave been a great opportunity to promote older series on the site outside of the contest and allow the contest entries to compete a smidge more fairly.

[beta1042]

Yeah, but this is also just speculation on my behalf. Kind of- well if I was webtoon this is what I would want sort of logic. I do think we should probably hold off any real judgements until the first round of finalists are announced.

[scythe]

Well, it's been 2 months since I decided to reboot my comic as an entry to this contest, and can I just say, EVERYTHING I hoped for came true.

As of right now, my contest entry is sitting on 1.8k subscribers, 28.4k views, 2.3k likes and has a rating of 9.11.

Most importantly, the engagement I'm getting on this series is SO MUCH more than what I was getting on my existing one. Even with 8.7k subscribers, I never got 100 likes on an episode before the next one came out, and while I did get a nice amount of encouraging comments, the sheer volume I'm getting now is blowing me away. I'm getting more views, like and comments now with a quarter of the subscribers.

So, as far as I'm concerned, this contest is already a big win for me. I'm so happy I took part.

[bear1]

You had more luck than I had. Congratulations

Although I see the contest like a win for me too. I didn’t get the extra exposure like I hoped. Most of my contest readers came from my normal comic.
So the mission of attracting new reader through the contest failed for me
However, due to the contest I started formatting and pacing my panels a bit better (like they recommended in one of their tutorial comics)
It improved my comic a lot visually. Not sure if it necessarily helped me increase my audience but I find it a lot more appealing for myself.
So things are fine as far as I care.