Why do people hate Rey? ;_;

[vfinnigan]

You might have to speak for yourself, because a lot of people identify with Rey, particularly abuse survivors.

[TAMAnnoying]

The writers said so! :v not even sure why, at least as watchers we could assume she had training but then JJ and rian where like “nah fam”

[vfinnigan]

No, the writers said she wasn't a Jedi, not that she had zero training.

[TAMAnnoying]

See this is what i mean by the magic system has been destroyed, I have no idea how to interpret that since BEFORE i would agree with you and say "yeah there are many OTHER religions that involve the force and learning to use the force." But since the last jedi i have NO idea what the writers mean when they say "shes not a jedi" since THEY seem to be under the impression that jedi are force users and not just a force religion. So sorry but I cant accept that as an excuse cause I have no citations of value for that statement anymore.

[Cricketreadscomics]

The part that comes from trolls and misogynists and die-hard fans who are too scared of change to even entertain any new ideas.

^ pretty much it

[jurinova]

I did not like Rey for the reasons others have already explained: she felt blank, boring, too good too fast, not enough motivation for the things she did etc. For me she just felt completely like a tool...

BUT I think she wasn't the only badly written character in these movies. She got the biggest part, so the flaws in her writing were more obvious but other characters were written purely as tools, too. For example Poe was a really boring characters and in the first movie mostly just a plot device for Finn. Rose? Plot device for Finn. These characters all lack proper character because the writing in these movies is not about building characters but working on moving the plot forward. It's the type of writing that reduces characters into stereotypes or mere actions that they have to perform.

This is the problem with the new movies for me. The OT had it's problems but it managed to give us memorable characters who had personality, personal goals and great flaws. And they had great moments together! It wasn't all about making funny jokes and fast action or dramatic moments. The best moments were often the calm ones, like Leia and Luke talking about their mother.

I feel like they got so stuck on Rey being a hero that they kinda forgot to make her human. To let her be weak and break down, so she can rise up. She's also constantly on the move, so her connection with other characters seem weak and unexplored. I think they didn't plan her well enough and have a clear view in mind about what they want to do with her, which also weakens her character.

Three movies should be long enough to give a character a proper story but I think they failed already with Rey, and the final movie probably cannot salvage her. For me there's nothing I'd want to see from her because there is no proper goal in the distance she has been struggling towards in the previous movies.

[vfinnigan]

I don't know where you're getting the idea that the Jedi has a monopoly on the Force, since that's pretty much the opposite of what Luke's said.

[Cricketreadscomics]

Marty Stus,

i thought it was Gary Stu...
not that it matters it rlly doesn't

[TAMAnnoying]

He said that that’s what the JEDI where saying which wasn’t even true to beginning with but because rian is big brain boi Aparently that’s the story now. I’m telling you what’s in the movies and what the writers are telling us. Luke never trainer leia as a Jedi or as a force user. The writers are making us write the script for them because they didn’t wanna bother. They rewrote the story because they just wanted to rehash it and not do any work for all the profits. That’s why people are not happy with this trilogy. It’s just not well written.

[vfinnigan]

And then there are people who dislike her for being too weak, for not gracefully accepting that her parents are nobodies and not coming back to her, and crying because the hope that sustained her for years (even if she knew subconsciously was a fantasy) was rather rudely dashed. She has been weak, but the one saving grace is that she hasn't let that break her down.

She's still finding herself, though. And that's something people who've been abused or neglected usually have a hard time with.

[vfinnigan]

Also just because there were other Force religions doesn't mean that their members were Force users.

[TAMAnnoying]

Why are you talking about those people? Your talking to us. We dislike her for the reasons stated and your not listening “because these people are sexist” we know there are stupid people out their that hate her for no reason. We’re telling you there are sane people who hate her cause she’s the catalyst of the bad writing of this entire new series along with all the other new characters that where supposed to get arch’s and instead got nothing like poor fin who rian turned into the token funny black guy instead of an ex storm trooper dealing with the fact he defected from his original life.

[mrtoontastic]

So have many other Star Wars characters, particularly Darth Maul who we all thought was DEAD once his lower half was chopped off by Obi-Wan. Rey is no exception, nor is she any kind of newfound innovation.

[vfinnigan]

Comparing getting wounded in a fight you started to having been abused and neglected from childhood is entirely out of order.

[mrtoontastic]

True, but Maul has lived through an age of neglect, abuse, and betrayal from childhood, even when he was promised greatness. Years later he would be treated less as a person and more as a weapon living only through hate. That's his real life of abuse. I haven't seen much out of Rey that justifies that "yeah, I wasn't abused. But I connect with her."

[vfinnigan]

Then you apparently prefer less subtle storytelling than I do. And that's OK with me. I don't mind that people don't like Rey, but I also don't like specious reasoning that's unsupported by the evidence. I also don't like the obsession some people seem to have with tearing down characters or movies other people like.

If it sparks genuine joy in some people, you don't have to like or understand it. Just let it be.

[mrtoontastic]

And that's fine. 100%. But sometimes, that's just how it goes when absorbing stories (or following a long-running continuity). That's how many people go off the make their own stories. It's not the fact of tearing them down or only the fact of deconstructing them, its finding out their strengths, weaknesses, and even their skills that make them good (or bad) to the audience. Basic connections are easy to make, but its the finer details even when analyzed that really help a character stand out whether we like it or not.

It's all about proper storytelling, not just sparking joy.

[MK_Wizard]

To be very honest with you, Rey is very relatable for even still being at the beginning. All she seems to want is a place to belong hence her desire to find out who her parents were and she wants better for herself in a very grounded way. If anything, her flaws uplift her because she is so realistic in being a "novice" character who has no life experience beyond scavenging and looking out for herself.

Nothing about Rey is Mary Sue, horrendous or degrading to women. If anything, she's the female character we need right now from what I see.

[vfinnigan]

Proper storytelling is largely subjective, and nothing's been torn down or deconstructed except in the minds of fans who have a rigid idea of how their favorite characters are supposed to develop, and whose pet theories were shot down.

And "proper" storytelling that doesn't spark joy is rather pointless.

[DiegoPalacios]

You give an interesting point when it comes to storytelling. Different stories have different goals and may entertain or give messages in different ways.

If the goal with the newer star wars movies was an escapist story for women who may feel identified with Rey, it fulfills this goal.

Actually, most action movies that focus on badass characters that kick ass, like Taken and John wick focus on the hype feeling of seeing a badass kick the ass of some terrible people.

I think the massive controversy of the newer star wars was that this new storytelling goal crashed with the expectation that comes with the star wars franchise and the previous storytelling goals older movies had.