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zvein
Feb '21

I’ve noticed since i joined this site that there’s so much collaboration posts created by users(usually with sketchy username and/or without avatar). Usually writers looking for artist, or ‘newbie artist’ looking for other experienced artists, and almost always unpaid. If i’m being honest these posts feel entitled to me, and kind of looking down to artist. I don’t know about you, but the fact that they said they’re still ‘learning as an artist’ or that they are newbie and their art is not good enough to use for their “dream” comic themselves should inform themselves that expecting stranger artist to work on your ‘dream works’ and without some kind of contribution is kind of rude? Because i don’t count their “halfway done novel” as a contribution since basically you just want your work to be realized in comic form, for free. You don’t know the stranger you ask to work for free for and to demand specific art style and the post radiates this entitled feeling like how it is an honor itself to work free for you is???!!

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KelheorRegular
Feb '21

It is, I won't even promise you'll get used to it :pumpkin: We have this discussion every 4 month or so here, so join the fun :ok_hand:

MiniSheepPencil
Feb '21

I mute those threads when I see them, just like how I muted the entire category made for the sole purpose of seeking collaborations. I didn't join the forum to hunt for more labor, nor do I wish to be hunted down by entitled newcomers in the field :sip:

zvein
Feb '21
MiniSheepPencil

I didn’t know that you can mute posts. How do you mute that? In case it becomes unbearable but i somehow have this masochistic tendency to see how bad the post will be lmao.

MiniSheepPencil
Feb '21
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At the very bottom of every thread you will see this button with either of these names "WATCHING / TRACKING / NORMAL / MUTED" and it is a toggle function for notifications on the thread itself. :smile:

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Likewise there is a way to mute an entire category too.

1: Go to the category overview

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2: Find the category you wish to mute.

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3: Find the button in the top right corner with the little blue/grey dot icon and choose your notification setting for the entire category.

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thedude3445
Feb '21

The collaboration threads can be very useful for, well, actually finding collaborations or work. But a whole lot of the threads are either A) kids shooting from the hip with their not-written fantasy novel and obviously nobody will ever respond to them, or B) accounts created on the same day as the topic, usually an artist looking for work but providing only a couple pieces and no outside contact info except a Discord maybe. Half the time they never log in again after their post sure makes me suspicious.

A is inevitable and sorts itself out because it's just kids being silly. B is the part that's a really iffy and while it's not THAT common, it makes me think that maybe there should be a short delay between making a forum account and being allowed to make a Collaboration thread, just to prevent some shady activity.

summermcallen
Feb '21

First, welcome to this forum :slight_smile:
I know what you mean... its really annoying sometimes.
There was a time when someone requested a collab this shady I poset the rules ( https://forums.tapas.io/t/before-submitting-your-collaboration-request/416063 ), so that they could change their request... but most of the time, these people ignore it :frowning: and it's just too much
for me an unpaid request isn't bad, bc I also do an unpaid webcomic myself right now and not all the prople want to write and draw, but when the people write "I want an artist on the level of solo leveling, but will never tell you my story so that you don't copy me.. ah and it's unpaid" I also think that it's kind of rude....

SpectreFirst
Feb '21

Well, to make long story short, it all boils down to very short attention spans and lack of common sense – people come up with a vague idea, immediately proclaim themselves as writers and proceed to posting collaboration proposal without giving it a second thought and in most cases, forget about their own proposal five minutes later and move on. Other times it's a random person with a novel who expects its novel to be magically turned into a comic without any steps in-between which also stems from laziness and lack of common sense. Same goes for “artists” or, to be more precise, people who genuinely think they can draw – they think that if they can make a kindergarten level doodle of a human character on a sheet of coffee-stained piece of paper they will be able to handle complex environments, creatures, machinery and tons of other things in a timely and consistent manner. And no, none of these cases can be attributed to inexperience because if you really want to get something done you sit down and do research and learning, accumulate particular questions and only then come to forums for asking them, not the other way around.

The most common problem here is not what people are asking from others but the fact that they never offer anything valuable themselves, they aren't trying to show that they are capable partners, never offer any solid working plans and most of the time they don't even post direct links to their works which makes it impossible to understand what exactly we are supposed to be working on let alone become interested in it. And again, it has nothing to do with inexperience because this is common sense so they just don't give a crap and neither should we.

MiniSheepPencil
Feb '21
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I don't see the use of them flooding the forums though. Fiver is a much better place for finding people willing to do work dirt-cheap.
The forums are greatly used by creators already working on their own stuff with little to no payment, so it is really annoying to have such entitled spam posts pleading for attention in the first place. Having the option to filter it out has been a great help to me. If not for the option to mute the entire category I would have quit the forums all together. :sweat_smile:

darthmongoose
Feb '21

The thing that comes up in comics over and over is that a lot of people love the idea of being the person who made or wrote or drew a super-popular cool comic, especially a super-popular cool comic that gets the film rights bought... but comparatively few of those people really like or are ready for the grind of making comics.

A lot of them think they're gonna find this special partner who will remedy the problem. Either they'll find an amazing artist and they'll just send over their rough ideas and scripts and it'll turn into this gorgeous sexy webtoon, or they'll find a writer whose writing and ideas are so great they'll feel motivated to draw full comic pages instead of like... occasional fanart drawings every month or two. Or my favourite are people looking for collaborators to draw just the parts they don't enjoy or are bad at, like "Okay, I'm the lead artist because I'll draw the faces and I need a willing minion to help me out a bit by drawing the bodies, props and backgrounds. Oh and another one to roughly sketch the panel layouts."

Comics are just hard work. That's the only secret. :sweat_01:

KelheorRegular
Feb '21

Caro
Feb '21

OOOH I had no idea I could mute a category!!! This is good news :sunglasses:

surenlicious
Feb '21
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God, I am so happy I can do all the writing and art of both my novel and comic myself. I've worked my ass off for over 15 years to be able to solo everything myself, so threads like those give me the heebie-jeebies honestly. But the amount of DMs I get from people who want to collaborate...pffff. They're never interested in my own work, but low and behold they see my art and suddenly want to collaborate. Yeah no, my hands are full.

What makes me want to punch walls is especially writers who think making a comic is magic, and all they get to do it sit back and 'write' the script. Then you look at the comic where they managed to find an artist for, and while I find often the art lovely, the writing is just a bit of a cringe really. And often its not even paid, now that really sends me orbiting.

Now look, if its an artist who is actually looking for help as you cannot always solo everything yourself, I mean okay that's perfectly cool. You delegate, I applaud you for it. But often I find the people asking for collabs to be entirely unaware of how to be a good creative partner and more often than not lacking in their own department.

Gosh I sound salty here...hahaha. I rather not open my can of bad experiences but I guess they did spill a little. XD

EDIT: Also save me from the people that comment under my art posted in topics too asking to collab. XD

zvein
Feb '21

It almost feels similar to when relatives/friends/colleagues ask you to ‘draw them art for free’ because they think it’s totally not taking your time and energy but worse because this is a long project that ‘supposed’ to make profit, or for commercial. The audacity.
Unless you’re very famous and will almost ensure profitability or you’re a really good friend, here’s a mirror.