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Feb 2020

Something here got me thinking about this recently, but it's not for the first time and that is creative jealousy. More accurately, the assumption of creative jealousy.

We've all been there, right? You've looked at something popular and thought, "why is that so popular?" You look at it as objectively as possible and think "it's not actually that good" and "I'm better than that". But, the second you say any of these things, there are a lot of people who will jump on you and accuse you of simply being jealous. There is an idea that you can't criticize someone more popular than you, because any criticism actually comes from a place of jealousy. Which is quite frankly stupid, because I, and I'm sure many of you, are perfectly capable of admitting when something is objectively good or better than my own work.

Does anyone else find this, anyone else get frustrated by this idea or is it just me? Anyone disagree and think criticism is because we are just jealous?

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Thing is, you can't compare yourself to other artists. If you do that, you'll never feel good about yourself, and your art and self esteem may suffer.

The only person you should ever compare yourself to is your past self. If you are a better artist now than you were a year ago, then you have succeeded! All you have to be is better than yourself, not better than anyone else.

You do have a solid point and i kinda agree. I guess people who follow that popular creator tend to be biased and less able to listen objectively to those less popular.
Although it also depends a bit on whether the criticism is right for me. Like @CarltonIsaac mentioned, if someone doesn't put up an argument why their work is better than the popular one, then yeah i'd label it as jealousy.

I'm not a jealous person, in all facets of my life. I don't really get a negative feeling out of wanting something I don't have. It may be neutral/fatalist ('it's like that') or postive ('let's see what I can do to get there myself'), but never jealousy.
Also, sometimes I find success is unjustified, but that's not because I think I'm more entitled to it. So I don't really pay attention (unless success is achieved by unethical means, but I don't think being disturbed by that qualify as jealousy).

However, that does not stop people (even people who knows me) from seldomly saying I'm just jealous. I found out it's often people who themselves are jealous of the same person/thing, and, additionally are jealous of me for NOT being jealous (or simply, embarrassed to see I'm not).
I have no time to spend with that. I simply ignore.

I generally dont think I'm better that alot popular artists, alot I think are better than me. However I dont need to be a 5 star chef to when the food is terrible. Like some the popular ones artist I seen either mindlessly(not even the fun kind) edgy which attracts 13 year olds who wouldn't notice how stagnant and samey their artwork is or they were doing this a long time so they gather an audience who wouldn't say anything bad no matter how much it degrades.

Strangely I have seen people who try to critic big people in the industry(gaming, writing, comic, manga) and it always have one person going "your just jealous", like dude....

Really to me reviews are for the viewers, criticism is for the artists, thus if they don't want any don't bother . Really I just hate the "your just jealous agruement" I know that has happen but I have seen it use to many times with people who are just saying a lot of the times valid stuff to people within their group.

So if I don't like something that's popular it's because I'm jealous of their success? Gotcha. Must like everything that's popular from now on.

I'm not just talking about art. I never said artists. I also said very little about comparing. Look at things like 50 Shades and Twilight. There are huge numbers of people who said you can't say anything about it as a writer because you're just jealous. Is that right?

This is generally what I'm saying. People assume that you if you don't like something that's popular or don't see why it's popular, you're jealous because you're not popular.

Yep, this is the exact thing. Only as a creative, if you don't like something in the same field as you create in, it's even worse. You'll have friends or people who know you saying you're jealous. Artist who doesn't like a popular artist, aren't you jealous? Writer who doesn't like popular writer? Jealousy. Game dev who doesn't like popular game? Jealous.

I actually find that I’m usually always critical of my own works when I see popular works, and try to take it as a way to learn how to better areas of my own work I don’t like (art/story).
If a work is popular but not my style, I always tend to figure that the style is just enjoyed by that particular audience or that the story is good enough that people look past the art.
And maybe those creators have built platforms for years that have built their popularity and fan base.
There is a difference between critiquing and jealousy, and if someone is giving an honest critique they shouldn’t be accused of jealousy. But if someone is just slamming another work and not providing anything valuable, then it would seem like there’s some bitterness going on there.

Nah I just assume there's some part of me that is deeply self-centered, greedy, and arrogant. For me at least, humility is a virtue I have to actively work on. I was often not aware of my own creative jealousy in the past, and I don't trust myself to have an objective lens of my own work.

However, I do not want to nor will I openly accuse someone else of making a comment because they're jealous. I agree that often times people have legit criticisms, even if they aren't super polite in expressing it. It's also the case where creative pursuits are highly subjective, and we don't always specify if a criticism has to do with our own taste or a lacking in craftsmanship. Also, how a critique is perceived is heavily influenced by who is giving it.

If we're talking about popularity,
reaching popularity from zero is a privilege, I find it hard to reach it despite I've been doing this for more than a decade now, from improving my art skill, writing blogs, sharing my work on social media, joining drawing clubs IRL, asking people to check out my comic in the bus, etc.

Finally, I understand to be popular, you need to be able to make something that pleases the most audience which I failed.
Remember that art skill is not a guaranty of popularity.
I've seen enough people who can't draw for shit got more popular than those skillful comic artists.

The more different your preference with most people, the harder you are to get popular.

I will generally stand my ground on crappy properties people stan no matter how much they snap at you, I don't care what they think lol

"I don't think this is good" - Can be jealous, but a normal opinion.
"I'm better than this" - Makes you sound pretty jealous.It's not really a helpful critique, and it tends to come from a place of 'I'm better, so why is this more popular?'

I think it's helpful to take a step back and say, yes, why? Is the artist amazing at social media? Does the comic appeal to popular themes or trends? Did it get a specific lucky break?

If you can look at those without bitterness, then I'll believe you're jealousy free. You can admire skill on social media skill, acknowledge when you are choosing to stray away from popular trends, and study lucky breaks without venom.
-'Ugh people only read this because the author's popular' -> 'Wow! This author did an amazing job building a social media fanbase. Clearly I need to work on that'
-'I don't get what anybody sees in this! it's horrible' -> 'I don't understand the appeal of this. I should try and figure it out and learn from it, because clearly it's got something that draws people in enough to overcome its flaws'
-'Stupid fans only want manga style romance comics' -> 'Manga inspired romance does really well on this site, but I don't think I'd enjoy writing it, so I can accept my work won't follow trends and that means some people won't be interested'
-'Nobody would even look at this garbage if they hadn't gotten that big feature' -> 'That feature really helped this comic take off, despite it's weaknesses. I wonder if it would do the same for me'

'Why is this shit popular?' isn't always a jealous question, but it's almost always a resentful one. And following it makes you not just judge the artist, but judge their fans as shallow. It's fine if people like pretty art or sexy leads or big fights!

I think it depends.
If you just gonna leave a comment that says 'i think this piece is not good. Why is it even popular?' of course everyone gonna think it is out of envy ... Since this kind of comment just gonna put hate/shame on the artist

But if it is a criticized with points, advices etc this is a different story.

I think it is important to watch what we see and criticize out of good will ~
Otherwise, no wonder the artists/it's fans will get so protective after hearing someone 'criticize' them...

I do feel creatively jealous sometimes but I’ve hardly ever felt that popularity wasn’t deserved. I think it’s a detriment to not understand how or why certain things find success. If you can’t look beyond your own interests and understand the context for another person’s success it’s going to be harder to not think it’s just pure random luck which isn’t the mindset that helps you manufacture your own success.

I definitely don’t think you CAN’T criticize any person’s work. That just seems crazy to me. But I think it’s also important to understand and see why things are popular regardless of whether you like it or not.

I feel the need to generally point out I am not talking about telling someone to their face I think my work is better than theirs or I don't think they deserve their success. I am talking about the general opinion that anyone creative who says anything negative about or dislikes a successful creative work, especially in a similar field, is automatically jealous. Examples:

When I was a teen writing fanfiction, there were me and another girl by far the most popular writers in that fandom. I made an offhand comment, on a group chat that she was not a part of that I disagreed with her characterisation of one specific character. I was automatically jumped on and declared jealous because she was more popular than I was.

More recently, I dared to utter that I didn't like a recent development in Sleep Domain, because as a whole I don't like that kind of thing and yes I am still a fan of it and haven't dropped it or anything. Again, I was instantly accused of just being jealous because it's successful.

The idea that you cannot criticize or dislike something, even privately, unless you are at least as popular/successful as them or you are "just jealous".

When you don't like something that's popular with others, why not move on to something else. Why would you need validation from others about your tastes and preferences?

Criticizing someone else's work for which you couldn't care less makes no sense. You criticize if you feel the time you're investing in it isn't worth it and if you wish the creator well, you could offer constructive criticism.
Other wise if you don't like something everyone else around you likes, just move on and find something that you do like. It's that simple.

I'm just going to redirect you to the post above I literally just made.

Sure, but I was responding to your response to my post at the same time you were posting the post above mine.

But it's not and this is the entire point. The very fact that I dislike something, or even say I dislike a part of something, everyone else does brands me as jealous. For instance, disliking Harry Potter would make me just jealous of Rowling because I'm not as successful. Or liking Harry Potter but disliking the ending, I'm just jealous and have no right to say I dislike the ending. That is what I'm talking about.