1 / 31
Sep 2020

It's been fascinating while writing my debut book to engage with just how different reader tastes are.

But what's hit me between the eyes are the number of people saying 'I love a good mystery' ... but then having low or no patience in waiting for a reveal, tolerance for ambiguity etc.

So my question for you is - do you REALLY love a good mystery? Or do you just like to think you do, whereas in fact your tastes lie elsewhere?

[and if you do ...]

  • created

    Sep '20
  • last reply

    Sep '22
  • 30

    replies

  • 1.5k

    views

  • 17

    users

  • 51

    likes

  • 3

    links

I guess it's just a matter of seeing up the breadcrumbs with small payoffs every now and then. Of course, there has to be the big mystery reveal, but if we really want readers to be drawn to our mystery, they need a reason in doing so. In my novel, Megachurch, I would leave interesting points every now and then to make readers want to know more (romance, murder, more murder, creepy shit, and so on). Mystery is good, yes. But the best mystery novel is an engaging story that will hook even those who are indifferent of the genre hahahahaha! It's rather unfair to say that readers are simply just impatient, don't you think so?

I think it's fair to say a lot of the Mystery genre is about particular styles instead of just the core mystery. That could be more of the disconnect than the ACTUAL mystery itself.

I personally love me some Raymond Chandler and the pulp/hard boiled style.

Not so much the Victorian locked room or Garden variety.

I wouldn't say I love a good mystery. In fact, it's one of those genres that I don't actively seek out but when I do consume a mystery story it has to be for another reason besides genre alone. I need a recommendation or (if it's not a print/text book) actors I enjoy to get my attention.

I think it's hard to escape people like this though:

Like when watching a movie just 2 hours long, people will still ask things like "who's this?" when the character is just introduced. If it's a decent story it will answer those questions, just watch it omg :rolling_eyes: . Maybe even by asking the inane question they miss the onscreen answer.
Excuse my mini-rant LOL, it's one of my pet peeves watching stuff with others.
But yes, unfortunately some people have to have things spelled out for them.

"Mystery" is kind of a large umbrella term that covers so many sub-genres on its own that when people say "yeah, I like mystery," they could mean a wide number of things. There's the classic Golden Age, "murder in a manor" type of deal, that puts the plot and the tricks/puzzles front and center but has characters made out of cardboard. There are the pulps, with well-known tropes, but good atmosphere, well-structured, convoluted plots that take advantage of aforementioned tropes, with twist designed to get you to at least feel something for the characters. Then there's your more modern thrillers/psychological mysteries, that feature ominous serial killers, mysterious bombers, government plots; and put out most of their clues in the background, in the midst of more exciting scenes. Of course, there's also the more metaphysical kind of mystery -- like, say, a Murakami book.

I've generally been a fan of that first type, the Golden Age kinds of stories, for years now. My favorite sub-type are the impossible crimes (John Dickson Carr and alike). But I've admittedly grown pretty tired of them, precisely because I found the characters pretty uninteresting in the long run. I feel like part of why it died out was because their audience at the time started to have the same experience.

(Hell, most of my writing output for the past couple of years have been the Golden Age-styled locked room murders, but even then I've consistently made the plots and characters surrounding those murders weird, modern and near-psychedelic, knowing I'd get way too bored trying to keep it like the classics. And even then, I've kind of gotten tired of doing those, too!)

But overall, I say almost all stories you've seen praised as "page-turners" feature some level of mystery. Maybe not in a "who killed Mr. Rogers" kind of mystery, but a general tease that keeps the reader guessing and intrigued. We all fundamentally want an answer to a question when it's presented to us. It's how we react when presented those questions, and how long we're willing to wait for the answers, that determines what kind of mysteries best suit us.

i like it when the mystery actually gets the reader actually thinking and try to solve the mystery themselves while the story progress. Making the reading go "wait, that this doesn't make any sense how could... .. O.O sudden realization WAIT..... WAIT WAIT.." then go back to the previous chapters to love for clues but only the readers can solve the mystery.

I love mysteries! One of my favorite series of all time is Higurashi and the thrill I had reading through the sound novels for the first time was absolutely incredible. It was mind-bending. I'll have to check out your work!

This is a problem I've talked about having all over the place in all genres. Some people seem to have no patience at all and don't seem to understand basic tension building. They want you to spell out the villains plan from the get go. They want to know everything about who a character is on their introduction. Explain you character's tragic backstory the moment it's hinted at rather than building it slowly. Slow burn is no longer just a slow building romance, it's just romance because normal romance is just getting together straight away.

It feels like readers in general are getting less patient in all areas not just mystery. Which is odd because people seem very willing to sit through the mystery of which guy in the love triangle is gonna get picked. Maybe because it's often written so it's not actually up in the air, just pretending to be.

Umineko is my mystery of choice and lead me to Higurashi and ridiculously complicated and confusing and a lot to sit through for the pay off but so worth it. I struggle imagining some readers these days having the patience for some of these long complex mysteries.

I've never thought about it before now, but whenever I say that I love a good mystery, I really mean a good detective story. Which is a specific category of mystery, but there are other stories that aren't detective stories that are mysteries...interesting.

I like mysteries, maybe not as much in a genre I particularly love but I read them every now and then; I think impatience, when excluding people being easily distracted or wanting quick gratification, might be the lack of initial payoffs. A lot of writers fall in the big mystery, talk about the big mystery all the time, and you lose a bit of interest when it's all very cryptic and the plot just molds itself to not reveal anything until the end or big climatic moment. If, say, it's a spooky town story, it's cool to reveal little horrifying things or why the supporting character is prepared in a certain way, even if you don't have to say the source of the mystery right away. Give readers a bit of expectation as to how they're going to solve the plot with the characters!

Most of the time though, it's just the reader being impatient or reading too much into things because the mystery wasn't what they wanted. Hard to write a mystery if you don't have the patience as a writer.

I love mysteries--but my favorite mysteries usually reveal smaller mysteries before they get to the big main reveal. If there was only one big reveal at the end, I would be awfully bored by the end of the book. Part of the fun of mystery is when you start to unveil all of the secret plots behind the scenes that just kind of build on eachother, but can't tell which secret plot lead to the big death the book is about.

It's rather unfair to say that readers are simply just impatient

Fortunately that isn't what I said :smile:

Agree that any good story needs to engage first though. Anything good for that matter. It's just what actually engages folk is often somewhat different to what they say, or what they think engages them ...

If it's a decent story it will answer those questions, just watch it omg :rolling_eyes:

You made me laugh hard with that

You're way better read than me - you're possibly flagging how some of the tropes of classic mysteries have become tired clichés?

If there was only one big reveal at the end, I would be awfully bored by the end

Totally relate to that. Whether or not I've succeeded, I did at least set out to make readers think they would be getting the familiar tropes, only to hit them with other layers as they progress ... but then London Watch House is sited in a world of subversion & counter-subversion :laughing: I have to confess though, the final edit is very different to the more nuanced version I originally wrote because, in the end, I caved to some degree in the face of all that whingeing from people craving more, sooner :grimacing:

I'll have to check out your work!

You'd be very welcome ... as long as you really do love mysteries :joy::joy:

gets the reader actually thinking and try to solve the mystery themselves

Nail on head - if you're demanding reveals without even trying to work something out first, you really aren't a mystery lover :laughing:

That said we can all be self-defeating at times with our self-talk. I've lost count of the times people have seen me doing a crossword only to announce 'I can't do those' ... however share a couple of tips & techniques and suddenly you can't get your bliddy pen back !

Mystery is one of my favorite genres, but I actively avoid mystery stories that take place in historical (cough Victorian London cough) settings or modern settings that revolve around government conspiracies. Those two are pretty much the face of the mystery genre and I feel like the genre really isn't doing much to keep up with the times due to the redundancies in setting.

Most people like mysteries in their story, but that may not necessarily mean they like what the vast majority of the mystery genre is.

Additionally, I personally like when the mystery is revealed bit by bit. When everything is revealed all at once, it becomes mentally exhausting. It also gets the reader involved in solving the mystery.

For me, mystery needs to be balanced with the lines that I can logically follow. I grow frustrated when everything is too nebulous, particularly if the plot relies on setting different from the existing one.

For example, I am currently feed backing a book where the author constantly saying that the world is not like ours and may have different prejudices. But I have no clue 25K words in what is going on with the characters or why it is inappropriate for them to be together as well as a couple of other side plots.

If I wasn’t critiquing the book, I would have given up at that point, because I can’t stay in the dark for 100K words, and I also may end up with no answers. I need to participate with the characters, and be invested in their search for solutions.

Mostly I read historic and cozy mysteries, and I think over years, I just read one series of books that I ended up having no idea what the plot was and what happened in the end. I read it because it had a lot of information on the antiques (Lovejoy mysteries, people probably don’t know them).

My favorite series of all times were Lindsey Davis Falco's mysteries and Peters Peabody's mysteries. I also enjoyed a few books by Evanovich and Fluke before they petered out