Freakscomics recruiting (unpaid)

[jensrichard77]

I respect your proper answer and I wish you all good luck.
Pleas understand that we are a community trying to protect each other from scam and other funny stuff that shows up here from time to time.

You even have me being curious about joining the team. I will catch you on discord.

[IKI]

I am a bit miffed at these negative comments on this post. It clearly states for fun, I don’t understand why people are commenting if they aren’t interested and have nothing good to say. :-o

[jensrichard77]

From my perspective. The culture of webcomic creation is getting overhand with a common understanding that "everything" is free work. That culture are misleading for the business and people are trying to change that culture into a common sense of things cost money.

We do see more and more people with "another great half-baked idea" and want high quality artist working for them for free.
This is what we are trying to protect this community from.
This post (and previous post by @FreaksComics) had that tone of requiring everything for nothing.
But given the new answers and tone, this might not be a scam, but simple some nice people trying to work their way up, as many of us have done.

[euphisa]

I would consider this just for fun if it weren't for expectations 2 and 5.
For expectation 2: timezones exist...and some timezones just don't work out well being like 12+ hours apart.
For expectation 5: some artists like to give simplistic art, to which they can do better but refuse to because of several reasons (ie stress, too much work to put in consistently, etc)
So I find that you are asking too much from artists to put in their best for everything, especially unpaid. I hope those who have agreed to work with you are ready for the amount of work you will put them through, and I hope you won't push them too hard.

Your post is 90% better than most unpaid gig, and I believe this truely is fit for just for fun (assuming those 2 expectations I pointed out are rather lax). I think those interested in collaborations would have a great time working with your team.

[Rai89]

FYI "for fun" shouldn't have deadlines. You have zero respect for artists. They spend hours of their free time to work "for fun" for you? You are one of those people who abuses new artists time. and ad-rev don't exist unless you are a tapas/ webtoon original and most new artists are naïve to it. I was naïve myself, I wasted months on project's "for fun" with the promise of ad rev etc.

But the truth is this phrase "for fun" is your way of getting away to actually just paying for their hard work and time. I feel terrible for those artist who falls for your scam.

And lastly, Artists can get exposed fine by themselves.

But seriously collabs should be among friends or someone who seeks a little help. What you are asking is just too much.

[chestnutriceeee]

Woah, buddy. Calm down a bit. I see there might be a story and that you have the best interest of people in mind when you say this. But slow down and read the whole post maybe? Look at this like right below the expectations..

These rules are just there to keep yourself alert about stuff going on as we don’t want you missing some good ol’ action! It isn’t compulsary but it is there to help : )

I understand that you are trying to help, but this is clearly meant for people who are not looking to make a career, at least not for now. They say it's for fun and their responses and posts show that they really are just trying to assemble a team of people who they can work with, for fun. Like a discord community.

There are even minors in their team as they mentioned which just puts more emphasis on the fun part. There are a lot of people below 18 who are looking to make webcomics and such, as you can see from the hundreds of other posts in the collaboration category.

As far as setting deadlines go, I don't see why one shouldn't do it?

4) Setting up realistic deadlines and meeting them.

Of course, it's for fun, but if you are planning on publishing your work or even doing it as a hobby while working with others, some degree of professionalism is important. They clearly mentioned realistic deadlines, basically something that fits the artist or whatever position someone applies for.

Again, I understand you are trying to help and conveying your experience, I am grateful for that. But you are coming off a tad strong, it might scare some people away for whom this might be a real learning opportunity.

[FreaksComics]

"These rules are just there to keep yourself alert about stuff going on as we don’t want you missing some good ol’ action! It isn’t compulsary but it is there to help : )"

I am pretty sure we made this very clear but since you don't seem to read well, have a look again.

From your comment it seems its clear that you don't know what collaboration means or what this section even holds. This category was put up for new writers and artists to join and create their dream story. And even after our polite and sincere post you had the audacity to show such aggression. I am personally sorry for whatever job you were put into, but we don't do that to our members here. As for you beloved ad-rev, we never mentioned such a thing in the post. So again, kindly take a look and read the post properly. We have given all the hints that this collaboration is for Fun and that we are flexible with work to appease the comfort of the team member. We prioritize their opinions and time, which leads us to follow a simple routine that doesn't affect the team member negatively. Artists need writers and writers need artists.

Do you think that we don't know how much it takes to do art? Do you even know what the word passion and fun means? Do you really think if we were to force our artists to do stuff they would just stay? Maybe your mentality isn't large enough to comprehend what we said on the post. For your information, if you don't want to work for us then ignore us or leave. We aren't forcing you to join. We also won't further reply to your comments as it seems like you lack knowledge of proper communication. Good luck to you : )
Thank You
FreaksComics

[AbelDraws]

A reminder to not let the discussion go much further. All the points have been made already, so continuing discussing about this would only lead to bickering.

It'd be better to just leave the thread be for anyone interested in participating.

[Kuma]

I think last time I wasn't obvious enough, I'll try to put it as simple as possible.

Pay your artists.

That would be all.

PS: Medieval Setting and a Robot Girl?

Is she steampunk? (The setting would be steampunk)

Is the setting fictional or our medieval times? (Medieval Times in our world aren't known for their overabundance of robots)

Is she magically powered? (That would make her a Golem, rather than a robot)

[Tailzkip]

I was a part of something like this when I was younger....I left after like 3 weeks. I was just being used for labor and ordered around like a dog to keep things to their standards. Although those people actually paid me, it wasn't worth the low money they offered. But it was something at least...

[ReaperKing]

Well here is the thing. Just because it happened to you doesnt mean it happened to everyone. I also worked with 2 or 3 teams before and they were all kind and respectable towards me. So your comment here is just generalizing that all these teams are bad which in fact they are not

[FreaksComics]

We give our team proper credits and help them achieve their goals without having to pay as most people who want to start out in this industry don't exactly have heavy pockets. Kindly stop making it seem as if you haven't actually read this post if you're going to reply. We've already found 10+ members who want to work with us unpaid, which just shows our capabilities and the confidence they have in this team's success.

As for our plot, we can't give out too much of information as plagiarizing is a thing in reality unfortunately. I wouldn't also judge a book by its cover as we really don't know anything until we open up and start reading.

So I will try to put it as simple as possible: Leave if you aren't interested as we never forced you to Collab with us. It is out of your own free will to join or not. Not everyone is as rich and wealthy as you think. Some just want their story heard and to have a great time doing what they love without getting paid. If everyone was thinking like how you did then how did we manage to get till where we are? Answer this yourself.

We won't engage with your kind anymore as we are tired of stating the obvious.

Thank You
FreaksComics

[Mojiroo]

We aren't like that, trust me. We always smother each other with love xD And we actually care about each others opinions. The only thing we argue about is whether cake is better with or without frosting haha ^^

[Rai89]

Buddy, just pay the artists, I don't understand why that is so hard for you, even if it's just 2$ to 5$ dollars a panel.

[DiegoPalacios]

If you want to publish said comic, you can't pay your team with "fun"

sometimes working in a big project with friends can be fun, but, if you expect serious commitment, you can't expect hobbyists to commit so much time and resources on your project.

Crediting people working for you is just a basic common decency thing and doesn't count as payment either, neither is the vague promise of "exposure".

When i recluit an artist we reach an agreement and i pay them for their services.....if one dude like me can save some cash to hire one artist, a group like yours should be able to afford to pay artists for their effort....

[Panqiuyan]

I wonder if $150 per month is a good price for 35 panel comic? what do you think because i'm trying to figure if that is too low an artist pay

[Mallory]

150/35 = $4.3 per panel. Each panel will take anywhere between 30 minutes to several hours. Assuming a faster artist, and averaging 1 hr/panel, you're paying for 35 hours of work. Art is skilled work, so it should be compensated at much higher rate that minimum wage. So... like... maybe for an artist who lives in a country where the minimum wage is $1/hr and where $500 covers your expenses for the month comfortably, this might be fine.

In the Western market, the going rate for a professional artist per page is anywhere between $100-500, so roughly per 6-7 panels.

[SleepingPoppy]

This might not be the place to ask this, since it's someone else's thread! But it kind of depends on how many panels are supposed to be finished per month (not sure if that was the 35, or the total story was 35), and if the comic is in color, B&W, or line art. Etc. You can make your own thread asking for input, or jump into the search bar and you'll definitely see other people asking this questions and getting answers. Ideally you pay enough that you meet minimum wage or better for the artist, tho.

[ahogemon]

If you meant that all 35 panels were done (from paneling, sketches, line-arts, backgrounds, coloring, and shading) by a single artist aside from the script, then I guess that is too low for average artists (not a beginner or a pro artist), but I think that also depends on the cost of living in which country the artist live, for artists who live in a high cost of living city is too freaking low, but for artists who live in a low cost of living city that might be acceptable for some.
But, for beginner artists who just getting started with cheap tools and free software (don't expect high quality), then it is acceptable and not too low.

[system]

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