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Looorrrdd unpaid 40-80 panels a week/every two weeks is way too high of a panel count! That's more than a lot of Webtoon originals for way less pay if you manage to get monetised (which is super difficult with comics)

Setting those kind of expectations with little evidence of your writing and storytelling will make it difficult to find an artist.

If you don't mind me asking- what's stopping you from having a lower panel count? I'm not applying, I'm just curious.

Okay, so let's say the artist gets 30% of the profits for making 40-80 panels a week. Wow, now all your project needs is to make around $60,000 per year (and I'm low-balling here and assuming the artist earns under $20,000, which is a very low wage, barely enough to scrape by... And as for doing two comics at once... that's 80-160 panels a week. That's approximately the workload of a shounen jump mangaka. It's just not possible. I've never heard of a person making that kind of money on their very first comic.

You need to dial back your ambitions a bit and be realistic, especially if you want an artist of that level of quality.

We work without contract, but i can make it with you if you want it)
It's your decision, we still didn't find artist so you can choose what you want, sure you can send me example)
Can you do that on discord please?

You don't need that many panels per episode for an action comic to be good- especially since you're starting out and the comic will not be monetised. Many of those 70-200 panel comics have a paid team working behind them, usually contracted by the site they're hosted on.

An episode just needs to progress the plot in some way :slight_smile: I know as an artist even just doing the lineart for that many panels could cause burnout/injury.

Yea i understand, you are obsulutely right, but if i want to make like from 30% to 60-70 i need to fire like storyboard drawer or someone else, and i can't just do that, i tried my best to give as much as i can to only artists.

Thanks for advice, so i just checked the minimal amonut of panels for action genre is 35 so yea i am saying about 40 panels a chapter/week/2weeks
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Maybe you do quite understand. Revenue is not guraenteed. Infact, it is incredibly rare to have any sort of revenue assuming you reach that level of getting steady revenue. What you're asking for is a full time job with VERY risky investment.

ignore speling I am super tired

I'll contact you later, preparing my work samples. But right now I still have one more 90 panels episode to complete, so I will have no more work after they are completed which is in the next month will be available.

Me when I read about inking lineart for 40-80 panels a week unpaid

In all seriousness, why a long project immediately? Have you tried a shorter story first? Dip your toes in the water to see if there is an audience for it?

Me when

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You just assume you're gonna get that big of an audience within 2 chapters and that the income will be enough to able to share across 7 people. You also assume everything's gonna go perfectly well for the team to be able to produce 40-80 panels a week consistently for over 100 chapters. Of those 100 chapters, you only have 5 written. So you don't even know if your completed story will be worth following and spending years on.

That's a lot of confidence you're putting on stuff with no certainty, my guy

Okay. here's what I'm gathering from everything I've seen on this thread.

1) Getting paid at all let alone enough for 7 people after 2 chapters is a ridiculous expectation. That kind of money doesn't come that quick at all! Ask any webcomic artists on here, even the more popular ones who've been posting for years and they'll tell you they do not get paid enough for one person let alone two.

2) You cannot expect that level of professional art for free (see point above.) And no, having nice art doesn't guarantee success either- it's the storywriting which falls on you/ a writer that will captivate an audience. And you need evidence of your writing work.

3) You are throwing yourself into two large projects and promising money you don't know you'll have. It's risky! There's no harm in writing a short story, hiring an artist and seeing how it goes- way less stressful on both ends.

It seems you're inexperienced with comic making, which is fine because we've all been there. But please do concider what people are telling you on the thread, especially since most of us are comic artists. Especially since promising a financial gain can bite you in the ass later.

I was once contacted by them and offered an artist position. I have a doubt like you and unfortunately, I'm very busy at that time and had to catch my schedule. So I said I'd pass. And before we say goodbye, they told me something and I was surprised.
But I don't want to reveal what I know so far, but I believe they can fulfill what they promised.
I think I might give it another chance to try.

Why do I feel like this is an alt account of theirs...

If they have a good reason they believe they can succeed, that's information they should bring up when trying to advertise the job role. I'm not entirely sure what kind of information could possibly make, "We have no experience at all making webcomics, but we're making three at once with such a bloated, excessively large team that means we'd need the artist to do months of work for free and then they'll only make pay enough to make the job worth taking if our comics pull in several hundred to a few thousand dollars a month." sound like it's a worthwhile investment.

The only reasons I'd even consider this project would be:

  1. They have an investor who has pledged several thousand dollars to get the project started or publisher backing following a successful pitch (obviously they haven't because otherwise they could pay the artists).
  2. One of the writing or art team is extremely famous, like it's Neil Gaiman or somebody, so they're pretty much guaranteed attention, and even if the project failed or the artist got paid peanuts, the prestige of having that collab on your list of past work would look really good.

The poor grammar of the posts, and the fact that they're searching for artists on the Tapas forum with a very fuzzily defined plan would make me extremely surprised if either of these was the case, because this doesn't come across like a very professional or well-connected team. A reason like "it's a really good story idea" or "one of their artists can draw an okay looking front-view face in a neutral expression on a blank background" wouldn't convince me, because story ideas are easy, it's the execution that's hard, and years of teaching manga workshops has taught me that even a lot of random teenagers can learn to draw a good front-view face in a neutral expression with no background; it's not a good way to show somebody's going to have the range and consistency or visual storytelling ability to be a great comic artist.

If somebody wants to take a gamble on them, I won't (and can't) stop you. Who knows, sometimes like a lottery, these things can shake out. That said, based on what pretty much everyone with professional experience has said in this thread, I'd recommend any young artist to be wary of all the red flags everyone has pointed out and assume the odds of getting paid are low and go in with a mindset of building experience.

I was about to this disagree due to this account had been here a while. (A few very :unamused: ... kinds of posts especially in design a character).

But due to the op not even responding to thier previois post about how they will contact them. (Which I think they would to a potential sucke- I mean artist)

As well other sus things. I wouldnt be surprised with the op being a new alt account. Still benefit of doubt I still suspect probably the thing that """should make this job offer worth while"" that was not mentioned in kate's post. probably has good reasons to not be stated in the original post.

And if it is what I think it is. Then .. nah no... you ain't getting jack in a 7 person team.

Albiet it can also be publishing offer under an NDA.. but they could have paid outright... so it could also be a scam or they got scammed by a fake publisher or investor

Honestly that "cant tell you what makes this offer worth it" turned this whole thing even more sketchy. Not helping ths case.

But if a person want to ignore the red flag parade then have at it.

Friends, i don't know why you all start to think that i'm a scamer or idk, why do i need to scam someone?
It's just not good thing + it has no logic for us to do that(we will get paid per month/every month so why the heck i need to scam someone and get only 1month profit, if i can just work with him and get profit every month, i'm just saying this becasue the most of us think about that), it's not my alternative account, he added me on discord and even sended me already few examples of work, also i remeber him, he is from fiverr. And about special thing, it's just too special i can't say about it everyone.

I don't think you quite understand this. There is no guarentee you will get revenue/paid. If you do at the start it will be pennies, maybe less than that.

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