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Do you have two main characters (or more) ? Do you include, and remove the male gaze? Do you create alternate timelines? What about their age? gender? sexual orientation? Race? (real or fictional like elves) self-insert wish-fullfilments?

I'm pretty sure that stuff that appeal to straight women, don't appeal to straight (and queer) guys that much, and vice versa... (at least from what I saw in multiple places, there's always exceptions to the rule)

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Whooo boy, talk about opening up a can of worms here. Though I'll say, as dicey a question as it is, it's one I've thought about with my own writing. On the one hand, I want to stay true to the original vision of my work, on the other, I want enough people to enjoy it enough that it not only gains popularity, but feels easily accessible to a large demographic.

Ultimately, at least this has been my experience, there's no such thing as omnipandering. I've never heard of a universal story that's beloved by all races, genders, socio-economic classes, and demographics on planet Earth. At some point, your art is going to appeal to one group more than others. The thing is, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Appealing to a niche audience can really work in your favor if you do it right.

That said, I always strive to make my work "inclusive". That doesn't necessarily mean I'm pandering to everyone. Not only does that sound impossible, it sounds highly impractical as well. But what I CAN do is strive to not exclude anyone from my work. By that, I mean, I do my best not to incorporate themes or ideas that make potential readers feel excluded, appropriated, or needlessly offended.

Ultimately, there's still going to be people who just flat out don't want to read my work. And that's totally fine. I can't appeal to everyone. I'm fully aware of that. If someone doesn't like Darker Fantasy, they're not gonna like my writing. If they don't like heavy romance and sexual themes? They're not gonna like my writing. Instead of trying to please everyone, I instead work to "include" everyone. Even if my writing isn't something someone personally enjoys, I still strive to make it accessible to all readers.

Ultimately, I'm not perfect. Far from it. And whether or not my writing will actually succeed in that is entirely up to the readers. But that's always been my goal with every project I've ever worked on.

Appealing to every demographic is almost impossible just as it is impossible to have a product advertisement targeted for everyone. Everyone has different experiences and preferences, it's not really a one fit for all so there's subgroups/niches being targeted even if it's in the same age/cultural/etc group.

I'm not sure what the question is here? I don't particularly get the connection with the following sentence as well? Are you asking if those kind of stories are appealing to straight women solely? :o

I don't think about appealing to anyone, at all. Doesn't matter their age, gender, race, whatever. I rarely describe a character. I tell the story that comes to me and let it loose in the world. One of my stories (which has been optioned for a screenplay) has no women in it. Well, the cat is female, and there is mention of one. Other than that, none. That's not how the story presented itself to me and, as I said, I don't write with an eye to whom the story might attract. When I was approached by the option folks they did ask me about making the lead female and I said no. Entirely different story.

As far as number of main characters I use as many as are needed to tell the story. The rest of what you asked about doesn't even occur to me. I don't actively think about those things.

I'm a straight female with a great love for martial arts movies and good old fashioned adventure and mystery and I'm not an exception amongst my peers.

Interesting thread.

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You are better off researching a decent niche that is strongly supportive of writers who produce for it. Niche content is where it is today, and, most particularly on the net, because we fill in what doesn’t go on mainstream, good or bad.

The creative work consumers on the net are going to be female rather than male, with the exception of some sites like Royal Road that actively fights for that niche.

Once you have your audience in mind, speak to them, and if you are lucky, you will pick up some other demo on the way.

In terms of male gaze, either remove it or shine it on both male and female characters equally.

Sorry for my English (ESL) =x I was just giving an example, I mean stuff like shoujo / josei, and shounen / seinen are demographics, and their intended audience have certain expectations (that rarely cross demographics) like the innocent girl falling for a handsome bad boy in shoujo, or the never-give-up boy and their (handsome) rival fighting to be the ninja president or something in battle shounen lol.

They probably tried to make your work appeal to reverse harem fans, like so many otome games, and supernatural romance novels do. :slight_smile:

cute, no,. no romance, about an assassin hired to take out one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. I don't write romance

I understand wanting to appeal to a large demographic. The problem I've always had with those shounen/seinen styles of writing is that they're made for one, and precisely one demographic. My work is based off an Anime and it incorporates a lot of the themes you've mentioned. But I still try to put my own creative spin on it. Now, that means going against the gradient, but I personally find it also makes my story more interesting.

I guess what I'm saying is, it's okay to want to have your cake and eat it too. You can still write something that's original and creative that appeals to a large fan base without trying to purposefully pander to as many people as possible.

You're right, most consumers are female, and that's for almost all media (maybe not for videogames, and movies?) My main target audience is teenage girls, and young women that like romance :smile: I want to get rid of male gaze, but since my goal was omnipandering, I assumed that I'd to include it, anyways, thank you :slight_smile:

Thank you for your answer, your project sounds interesting asf, and I'd this idea of omnipandering, because some animes do it to some extent, like you have battle, romance, beautiful girls, and handsome guys haha xD

Using manga categories as examples (shounen, shoujo, seinen, josei, etc), I don't think there's a single manga that will cater to everyone. Not everyone will like fights to the death, or thrillers, or romance.

For example, I make a girl's love comic set in space (despite my main influences being shonen and seinen mangas lol...but i'm making a shoujo ai) I have no clue what the demographic of my comic is, but some people seem to like it.

I know, I was talking about the option folks, they tried to make your work more appealing for girls/women that like reverse harem, the main character is a girl, and everyone else is a hot guy lol.

Interesting, maybe your category is Battle Shoujo AI haha xD thank you~ <3

Why thank you! I love taking quirky tropes like that and adding a different spin on them. I'm not saying that anime can't appeal to huge varieties of people, they absolutely one hundred percent can. Honestly, my favorite animes (and really any media at all) are the ones that feel like they have a little something for everyone in them. Or at the very least, they make that attempt.

I try to emulate that with my writing. I'm not going to try and include every element under the sun that will appeal to everyone. But I love having enough variety in my writing to where it feels inclusive. Like a big party where everyone is invited. Not everyone will show up. But they've all got the invitation regardless.

I guess that's only possible in games then =/ I mean the routes / side versions. xD

I know you were and the answer is still no. The men in the story are all older, no young hot guys. The youngest guy in the story is around 55. And if they used a female she would have to be at least 50. The first draft I've seen so far is sticking close to the story.

I love your take, maybe your solution is the best path to take, since omni is impractical or impossible, I don't know why, but critical role came to mind. xD