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Mar 2017

Raymond Chandler said the best way to be unproductive is to join a writing group, or words to that effect. That I've found to be true. Writing has never been a social experience for me, so I don't see the value in joining a group that's dedicated to writing. The most social it ever is for me is when I piss someone off and then make them read my stuff. Yes, I do it on purpose.

I'm still not comfortable with my abilities in either writing or art. I never have been. But then, if you aren't striving you're dying. It's a natural law: whatever doesn't change or grow dies. If it isn't actively working against entropy, it falls apart.

For me, I'm still stretching in my art, and trying new things. I don't have any confidence in my abilities inside that skillset. I need to actively distract myself so I don't edit my scribbles to death. I have tens of how to books on art. They mostly stay on the shelf. I spend most of my research and improvement time reading other works. Maybe I picked this up from writing, I don't know, but it works for me. Finding new material that I like and actively integrating it into what I'm doing is my approach. It probably isn't as fast, but it is organic. It makes me feel connected to what I'm doing rather than an objective observer of improvement or regression.

It would probably be a much faster progression if I had a skills development and competency approach as a well thought out course might present it. But I wouldn't like it. I'd find it stifling, and I know it. And at the end I'd expect a return on investment. For me, I'm afraid it would make art transactional, which is the last thing I want. I want it to exist outside monetary expectation as so much of my life is consumed by the tyranny of exchange.

I'm sorry this wasn't more helpful to you.

I don't have personal experience in writing groups, myself, but I get what you mean.

I find it sometimes helps me to leave old/done work as is, so I have a better sense of how my work has improved. Part of me wants to redraw/color old strips for consistency but the time it'd take me to do so will cut into time I could spend writing and drawing new stuff.

Why do you hate your art though? I know we can be our own worst critics, so maybe you can pinpoint what exactly you hate about it that you think can be improved.

Art-wise I draw every single day, I'm lucky to be able to be a freelance artist since it gives a huge motivation to be constantly improving. A good way that I tend to practice is doing sketches every day in permanent mediums (like pen). I find it forces you to work on your muscle memory since it is permanent, just got to remember to keep it loose and just have fun with it!
If I feel like I'm getting lazy with drawing from my mind then I will brush up by doing a ton of anatomy studies - gotta sharpen up the mind sometimes XD

Scripts I tend to leave over time, if it sound dumb after a few days then I will alter it. I will also change things even up to the moment I'm drawing up the pages if I happen to think of something interesting as I work.
I also ask a few friends to proof read my scripts, see what they think and adjust accordingly.

Since I'm basically an infant when it comes to the world of digital art, I certainly have a lot of room and desire to improve. That being said, I am actually completely satisfied with my art, and instead of wanting to change what I already can do, I want to learn even more styles and techniques so that I can create anything ever! I tend to learn best from watching videos, so Youtube is a place where I can lean a lot, notably from channels like Draw with Jazza (which I highly recommend).
As far as writing goes, I certainly don't consider myself a writer. Let's just leave it at that.

I am aware that I am not the best at either, but I am satisfied with my capabilities since I face a lot of limitations, with both writing and drawing. I am not very good with English as it's not may parent's first language, as well and have dyslexia (this is NOT a self diagnosis) , while for drawing I've been losing my ability to do so as my physical disabilities grow worse.

But I'm still satisfied with the work that I am still able to do despite these things. (though more with my writing than my drawing)

It's not that I'm not looking to improve or don't think I need to improve, I draw and release comic pages everyday and improvement is naturally happening in them, I just don't hold it as big priority that NEEDS to be done. My concern is more being able to KEEP drawing instead of making it look nicer, as my arthritis and lupus have been slowly making it more difficult or taking away my abilities to do so. So my drawing just being simple, practical and clear with what's happening in the panels is good enough for me.

That's perfectly valid. We do our best with what we have, and it's prefectly fine to be satisfied with one's work. I wish you the best and hope that you'll be able to continue.

Tequila Tea Party sounds awesome!

My partner and I have both been working on our art skills since November '16. We draw analog for at least one hour per day (it was 2-3 before we started doing digital as well) using online reference sites like:

www.quickposes.com
http://reference.sketchdaily.net
http://www.senshistock.com/sketch/#

We also watch youtube tutorials from amazing teachers like Proko, Drawing with Jazza, Javi Can Draw, Danica Sills, Lavendertowne, Ahmed Aldoori, and so many more.

Also watching interviews with artists and animators like HuHa! Heroes of Animation with Bing for inspiration keeps us motivated.

Thanks for the recommendation! I will definitely check it out. I personally would like to do video tutorials too, someday, but I don't know when I'm going to be able to find the time to do the necessary research and preparations.

I use those sites too! I need to do more analog work myself. I love digital mediums, but it's still very different when you're drawing on real paper with real pencils :smiley: great recommendations, I shall check them out :slight_smile:

I'm proud of what I do, and am most days able to recognise that hey, I'm pretty good at this stuff! without it feeling like I'm bragging or being arrogant. I do, however, realise I still have tons to learn, and definitely have weak spots in my art skills. The same goes for writing skills.

As for improvement.... I wish I had more time to do it, but I practise! I set myself challenges, and try to complete them. I do lifedrawing when I can, and use reference photos for complicated stuff. I try to analyze images, pick them apart and figure out why they work - or why they won't.

Of course, doing a long form comic also means I have to figure this stuff out on a regular basis. I set this chapter in a bamboo forest - time to figure out how bamboo forests look! And this chapter is set in a city full of festival crowds - better sort out how to draw crowd-scenes!

It's the same with writing. I read a lot. I reads tons of comics, tons of books, articles, heck, even poetry - and I try to figure out why the stuff I enjoy works, and why the stuff I don't enjoy falls flat. Once I've figured out what makes other people's stories tick, I try to apply that to my own work. And practise a lot. Writing an ongoing long form comic teaches me one set of skills, while writing a shorter oneshot teaches me another, and so on.

i think im always a bit dissatisfied with my art and writing. art especially. im constantly changing and improving, and cant catch some mistakes until i dont look at it for weeks - which leads to struggling to reread my comic without picking it apart.

currently im just improving by looking at cinematography and comic composition from examples, and studying people. writing wise its hard to tell how im improving (it falls mostly into panel placing; im pretty pleased with the writing itself i guess)

but my future lecturer on comics did recommend me some books im gonna get:
- scott mccloud: understanding comics
- ditto, making comics
- ditto, reinventing comics
- will eisner, comics & sequential art
- ditto, graphic storytelling & visual narrative

I am one of those people who is never satisfied with anything I do but I'm slowly trying to improve both my skills and my self-esteem. I tend to only look at all the things I could do better, which is great for improving but not good for self-confidence.

Unfortunately I don't have the time and energy to work on my drawing and writing skills as much as I'd like at the moment but just doing my comic does help. I get to draw things I don't normally draw and thus push my limits to learn new things. I often intentionally try to include things that are difficult for me, so that I am forced to go outside my comfort zone. It's there that I learn the most and also get to feel somewhat accomplished.

However I try my best to learn not just by doing but also by observing. I look at the world around and study the colours and the way light works. I love walking because that's when I can study my environment slowly and maybe see things in a new light. When I watch movies I look at all the visual elements that tell the story, the composition and the camera angles and all that. Same goes for all other media I consume. I enjoy it but I also try to learn from it.

I also have trouble with confidence and self-esteem on the regular. I find that it helps to talk to like-minded people and having a support group, but also staying healthy in general helps a big deal. I don't know how many artists make it a point to exercise regularly and eat good, healthy food.

Good question!

I go through stages with my art, sometimes I'm satisfied with it and others I'm not. If I am dissatisfied though I tend to look back at older work to see how far I've come and try to identify why at that moment I'm not happy with it.

I've noticed that I make a bit of progression over time with just the sheer volume of comic work I'm doing. But I tend to try and work on what I see are my weakest areas- for example at the moment it's environment work, I don't feel I put enough effort in so I've started focusing on that. I also think my basics are starting to slip a bit so I intend on doing a couple anatomy studies a day next week as warmups just as refresher. Just little things like that every now and again seem to help me and if I'm really stuck I tend to resort to watching other artists work- youtube is a godsend sometimes XD.

As for writing I don't focus on it probably as much as I should and as such feel a bit more shaky about it it. Though I did a ton of research when I was actively writing my scripts. I am currently trying to work on my dialogue as I think it's a bit flat sometimes. Reading comics and novels always helps improve but I find TV, games and films to be an good source of inspiration and help too. I tend to pick apart any of these things and think about what they did right and what I liked and then what I thought didn't work and what could've been done to fix it.

I agree that having support is such a great help. Even small words of encouragement or having a chat with a friend can do wonders for self-esteem. Healthy lifestyle does help, too. Especially since artists have to sit down a lot, so exercise can not only boost energy levels but also prevent problems like back pains.