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Aug 2019

Hello everyone, I would like to ask for some tips and advice. I finally decided to make living as a comic artist and freelancer, but for the love of god, Í was never able to make money with my stuff. My earlier comics were not really that good, but I didn't think I will make living with them. I grew up in a family where I was always told that art doesn't make money, but I still refuse to believe that.

So I want to ask, how do people do it? How do you make money with your comic on Patreon, ko-fi and by other means? I'll be happy for any advice :slight_smile:

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If you´re going for the online market, it´s very important to attract and sustain a large Audience. Not only will they create revenue for you, but their views will make you attractive to platforms and investors (for ad revenue).
If you are going more traditional routes, It would probably be important to get a degree qualifying you, and working with big companies, that will "find the audience for you".

See what works in growing an Audience. Look at what succesfull Authors are doing. This will help point you into the right direction.
Making any meaningful money from it can take years if you go for the online market. It´s hard work, but can be very rewarding.

I´m personally building up an Audience while pursuing a degree :wink: (not in Art, but publishing). Do some research, you should find lots of materials on the subject!

EDIT: I make money with Webtoons Beta program, Patreon and Ad revenue.

Don't let The Happy Reich win!:grin:

Thank you for the reply :slight_smile: I am going for online market, right now. I would like to publish I one day, but I think it will be better to start like this. I know the big and steady audicence is the key, but I am still searching up how to create one.

I already have degree in librarianship, I don't want to get another one for publishing. I have enough of school days. I just want to create comics. Do you have some tips on how to build an audience?

I think you should mainly change your attitude. If you continue like this you will never make it. The basics of successare optimism and faith you can do it. Think about it, why would someone want to support a creator that is gloomy and whines that he can't get anywhere. People like positivity and strong will. Think about it. It can make big difference.

Ah sure. You don´t need to get another degree.
I´m assuming you´re working a different full time job right now?
Well, for Audience; make sure you know what Audience you are aiming for: What is the demographic? teen, young adult, older people? female or male? Certain countries?
Look at the content that is succesfull at certain websites - do you fit the criteria?
Do Crosspromotion with Authors that do similar work as you, since their Audience will fit what you are searching for.
In the meanwhile, work on pacing, storytelling and Art (haven´t looked at your stuff, but it´s always good to keep improving)

agreed.

I'm actually trying to make living as a freelance artist. I was looking for a job for a long time but it looks like I am not fit to work in any casual job, I just screw it up. They didn't take me into any library over here so I came to the conclusion I need to make living as an artist. It's the only thing I can do properly, besides being a librarian. That's why I need to improve in this area.

I know about the crosspromotion, but never really understood how it works. I know many people say, get into the community and that helps. I never did that, so this is very new for me, talking to other people who make comics.

I recently dropped out of school to be a freelancer for a while, I'm not planning on doing it for a living though, I'm going to get back to studying in like a year and try get a stable position. I personally find that the most wise thing to do, then sell artwork/comics on the side.

I don't have a very big audience online that will make freelancing worth it, but I do have supportive parents and a network through them I can sell art to. I'm going to make a pretty big starting investment due to this, which is buying an art printer. You look way more attractive on the market if you're able to deliver physical goods. But it's of course also more difficult and time +money consuming.

If you really want to get out there you have to find yourself doing things you don't want to do. Like draw popular things, collab with others, host giveaways, attend conventions etc. It's a tough industry but anyone can do it without enough drive. I believe in you!

Well then, welcome :wink: I don´t do much freelance work, so can´t help you there.
Cross promoting means that you promote their series while they promote yours. You can do it with the big theard or approach others/make friends and do it with them.

Thanks, positive energy can do a lot :smiley: Well, I originally thought I will work in the usual job, like everoyne else. I have librarian degree, but they didn't take me into any library. I tried to look for a job, but it was horrible, I just don't fit in that system and I screw up. That's why I decided to make comics. I don't want to waste my life moving things around in some supermarket store. Making storeis and art is the only thing I can do properly. I'm glad you can have stable job, but I just wasn't born for that and it brought me a lot of stress. I also wish you good luck.

for sure don't rely on ad revenue.... I just did some math on my personal high, low and average months for ad impressions; it looks like the more impressions you get, the more you earn.
I mean that like this:

7421 impressions: $0.000056/1 impression= $1/17,857 impressions fewer impressions, more $$
3200 imp. : $0.0000034/1 imp= $1/29,411 imp
1963 imp: $0.00002/1 imp= $1/50,000 imp more impressions, less $$

It looks like a log graph, which I'm bad at figuring out.... I'd just plot my own data, but....
I'm sure, ultimately, there's some algorithm that decides what threshold you have to pass to earn more per impression.

Sorry for the math, but it's good to remind ourselves to not rely on ads, even if it's nice to earn a couple extra dollars a year lol. ^^;

Try to use the tipping system here and spend time on patreon and ko-fi. Give your readers rewards for tips or subs on patreon and such :slight_smile:

I never had any experience with ad system, since I didin't meet requirements for it, yet. I want to mostly depend on my Patreon and Ko-fi. So practially what you said. I just struggle when it comes to figuring out how to build big audience and I guss also,w hat to offer to yout patrons.

I really wonder what people have to do to make others pay for their comic.

Most artists who make a living with comics don't only do comics as their living. They also sell prints, merch, paintings, physical zines and books, they stream, do illustration for clients, and they sell at cons--the cons I think are where a bulk of the money comes in, but bear in mind the cons that make a lot of money are very hard to get into and cost a ton to go to so I'm not 100% on how that works out. I haven't sold at a major con myself.

Something to remember about freelancing (being an off and on freelancer myself) is that it takes a really long time to build up a following and a list of clients (and you have to HUNT for those clients, they won't come to you). I would consider checking out artists who write extensively on this subject (I recently came across Drawn+Drafted, which is a great recourse for beginners. The person who makes it has a twitter where they are always giving free tips on making an art business ((the drawn + drafted course costs money but they have free PDFs and free good advice))) Because what you are doing is building a brand from the ground up, the same way that an Etsy store selling soaps are building their brand. Branding your business is key, making a website, making a professional storefront, it takes a long time.

As for making money doing comics, it's the same as authors who make money doing books--you have to publish quite a few before you start seeing royalties, and doing webcomics means you never guaranteed any money at all. You're just living off of the mercy of the internet which is...more like waiting to win the lottery. So, you may want to start sending a comic portfolio to comic art directors and see if anyone bites. (this also requires that you make a website.)

A lot of comic artists also have a part time that is not art related. I always have a non-art related part time just to keep my own sanity, I highly, highly recommend doing that. Freelancing is very feast or famine.

Now, I'm not a comic artist and can't say much in regard to the general question of how to make a living with your comic (Other than good luck everyone! I hope you're able to do it!) but I think the ad revenue works the same for all artists and writers so I'd like to add to that: I've read here on the forums quite a while ago that the add will also depend on the time of the year for example. Like ads might be worse less at the beginning of the year versus in October/November (aka before the big Christmas rush when comapnies want people to buy their products). I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of that but there will be variation because of such things too.

I havent read many of the replies but apart from things like ad revenue, tipping, patreon and kofi you can also try zines and selling either digital or physical copies of your comics depending on which is most cost effective for you (since the traditional/physical print route can run you some $$$ to produce)

I'm currently just doing ad rev, tipping and ko-fi but in the (hopefully) near future I'll have finished and put up my first digital zine online for sale. It wont be with the big sites like itch.io or gumroad but a small business I'm very close with and working for as a creative team member.

There's a lot of avenues you can take if you really look around and there's also a lot of adversity your likely to face but it's absolutely no reason to let things get you too down. Best of luck as you work!

I didin't mean it in negative way. I didin't mean "If you don't act like everything is fine all the time, go away." That's not what I meant at all. Like, believe me I also have doubts, I also have dark thoguhts when it comes to future. I was tlaking about the general way you are thinking about your life. The negativity just brings more negativity and bad luck. I would never tell anyone how to act on internet forum, I just genuinely wanted to give you good advice. Things really can change if you change your view on life and act possitive, it worked for me and many other people, you can do it too. You just need to believe it yourself. If you continue like this, you will jsut scare the people away and that doesn't bring any luck. I don't mean it in any aggressive way, I just tried to be nice to you. You know, that's what people should do, be nice and help others. It's kinda sad you feel like you are being attacked.

I don't make living from comics, not yet, you go t that wrong. I am practically in the similiar spot as you right now, I just think I can make it if I believe it and try hard enough. Don't think that anyone who acts like this has already some big success behind them. And yeah my family told me I can't make money with my art, but people told me many things in life. It's my life, if I want to make it happen, it will, but only with strong will.

Thanks for the reply. I already know that being freelancer means you have to hunt for clients and such stuff and that making living of comics requires more than just post pages. I was thinking a lot about the merch an what other things to do make the brand and other things. I am really thankful for all those tips and info you gave me there. Some things I really didn't know about. I think the conventions are problem. I live in Czech republic so con like comic Con are out of hand right now.

May I be an honest buzzkill, or should I keep it to myself? I'm a freelance artist for the last several years, but in the comic game only for 6 months, so give or take what experience I have.