Is anyone else bothered by people forcing others to use this word?

[indagold]

I talked with some spanish and they said ending it with a @ would make slightly more sense since it implies both an A/O ending but then again doesn't the world latin exist? That's gender neutral in english. I don't know how to pronounce latinx, and so far no one I met who can speak spanish can lol

[A-weird-girler]

yes you could also do that, clever solution

[TACOBERTO]

It pisses me off. Take the time to say Latino or Latina.
It's not that hard. Spanish has grammatical gender, deal with it.

[TACOBERTO]

Also this thread has been one hell of a roller coaster ride.
We even got Godwin's Law invoked here. Geez

[LordVincent]

I don't know how to pronounce latinx, and so far no one I met who can speak spanish can lol

I think this is a good and major point when it comes to a lot of these debates actually. I don't know why people who want to form gender neutral alternatives in the english language are so obsessed with the letter x, literally one of the most annoying and difficult letters to pronounce, especially for many people who don't have english as their native language. Wouldn't you want a word that is just as easy to say as the word you are attempting to replace? That would not only remove one of the arguments against changing the terms up, but it would also make it easier for those who do want to partake in linguistic gender neutral support.

Like... when us swedes decided to approach gender neutral pronouns, the feminine one is "hon", masculine is "han". Gender neutral became "hen". Now, some people like to joke about it being a farm animal in english, but fact remains that the language is swedish and it's an easy word to pronounce. No harder than the gendered ones.

English nonbinary folks trying to approach the same topic: "XE!! XEM!! XIR!!!!"
like WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE NONBINARY IS YOUR LIFE NOT HARD ENOUGH ALREADY WITHOUT A PRONOUN THAT NOONE AROUND YOU CAN PRONOUNCE

I am all for gender neutral words being developed but people are shooting themselves in the foot the very minute they make it extra difficult to get accustomed to for no reason whatsoever. Not only that but by making them hard to pronounce they are exclusive by nature, when they are supposed to be inclusive.

[A-weird-girler]

thank you lord Vincent! I know many people may or may not know this, but where I live x is pronounced sh. So it would sound latinsh. Very dumb to hear and would certainly cause you to be a laughing stock here

[MGComics]

Honestly, I think it's even offensive as a latina person.

First world countries (specially in the American continent) are trying to force their ideas unto us. And I don't like it.

Why would they change our beautiful spanish language ? It's part of our own identity and pride.

I totally get where you're coming from.

Here in Mexico people are chill, usually open minded, sweet and cheerful. So I will keep not saying latinx, unless it's a law.

[audratki]

And why, why, did you compare me to Hitler for defending my culture and the right to use a word?

I did not compare you to Hitler at all. That is not what my comment meant by any means.

Let's go to my comment:

Hitler was taught that he was a great individual.

And yours, which triggered my comment:

All my opinions are based on safety and well being since that's what I was taught from a very early age

All I see in your posts is your outdated views of life being pushed as the 'correct' way of life and how it should be.

Number 2:

Even when I said it was ok to be gay at a young age just to wait when it was safe to come out?`

When exactly is it "safe" to come out? No one should be put in a situation to where they feel the need to hide and then need to come out.

You mention parents who killed their own child for being gay and it could've been prevented if that child waited. Really, how can you be so sure? And if the parents were more open that wouldn't've happened, so why not push for everyone to have acceptance instead, that would've helped prevent it even better.

I also wish you wouldn't badmouth me in every other post you write and edit the earlier ones to talk more shit.

Now, the people who wanted you to use the Latinx term as opposed to Latino were asking you to respect their choice to be gender-neutral. You don't want to offer them that respect. Instead, you come to an unrelated forum to badmouth those people.

I think you are being unreasonable.

P.S. Right after the full moon is a bad time for you to be online, it pisses you off.

[A-weird-girler]

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[ar-ninetysix]

I''m somewhat out of the loop, but I changed the title so anyone else doesn't get the wrong idea of what you trying to get at with the original post. It seems like it got worse since I last commented. You just wanted to see if anyone else didn't like others forcing a word onto other people. But uhhh, now you're just arguing a different subject altogether. You could honestly just take the L and move on with your day, it's not gonna get anywhere
arguing it any further and I doubt you guys wanna change your stances. But, you do you.

[SleepingPoppy]

Showing up to this thread is very...

[SleepingPoppy]

It happened for a lot of reasons including outside topics you brought up and the way you responded to people. To blame it all on @audratki shows a lack on insight. That said, I think the Hitler thing was a bad way to make any kind of point.

edit: I think you brought some of them up, anyway. It's a long thread and I don't want to reread it just for that. XD

[indagold]

xem sounds like them which is also gender neutral so it defeats the purpose almost XD

[ar-ninetysix]

I'm gonna chalk it up to a few things.

I'm gonna assume that like me, @audratki also had a misunderstanding of the original post. That's fair enough. Her first comment seemed pretty rational based on that. Then you two had a back and forth about sexuality at a young age, spurred on by your comment about your sister becoming a lesbian at an early age. But you were the first one to became defensive at a relatively fine comment.

That tone is very condescending for some reason, too.

They continued on fine, but you got even more defensive, now being slightly more abrasive in your language.

Dude, do you guys even read my post before replying?? I'm more pissed off by the fact that I can no longer talk my language without being bombarded by hate.

which is why I believe you should wait until you're older to really know yourself

The second's debatable on whether or not that was more abrasive, but it certainly didn't come off as nice-sounding.

Then @audratki said their Hitler comment.

Hitler was taught that he was a great individual.

Which.. yeah, that was uncalled for.

You ranted condescendingly at her..

Are you....are you really comparing me to an individual who committed mass genocide because I said that puberty blockers are dangerous for children? I never ever said that I wasn't going to call them latinx, I will, but I just said that people were hating on me for simply using Latino in a comment that was miles away from a gender discussion. AND READ THE DARN POST! Jesus. I didn't say that I didn't want to add a word, I'm saying why prohibit people from using another word??? And as for banning people of a certain age to be who they are, once again, puberty blockers are dangerous to small children under the age of 13. Why would you compromise someone's health like that then blame other people when it goes wrong? Did you even bother to read my reply?? I said delve into your sexuality if you want but wait until it's actually safe to come out! Do you think a minor would be in such a good position if they came out to their parents and they disapproved?? A small child was beaten for even thinking that he was gay and he was killed because of parents like these. Do you really want that to happen?? I'm not banning anyone if you actually took time to READ what I wrote. Dear goodness you think that I'm just some horrible person disvalidating trans kids? No. All I'm saying is W A I T for your H E A L T H. Thank you please don't EVER compare me to a mass genocider ever again

And then apologized and became rational again.

*sigh * sorry for the rant, I'm really not like this, but why are you saying that I want to ban people when it's clear that I just want safe situations for all? Even when I said it was ok to be gay at a young age just to wait when it was safe to come out? Is that banning someone the right to be who they are for you? And why, why, did you compare me to Hitler for defending my culture and the right to use a word?

Though you still sound very defensive, which like.. I don't blame you? Having a Hitler comment made like that and misunderstanding it as being directed towards you.. I can see where that was coming from.

They backed off, and you got into another argument with @punkarsenic about reliable sites. The argument then ended abruptly with him leaving,

dont cite sources if you cant do it properly. its very irresponsible, spreads misinformation, and reflects terribly on you

and you failed to prove them wrong, because your sources were bung

i think you need to mute this thread for a while and go calm down, youre clearly agitated

He has the idea saying on your sources needing to be better. That's fine, he was trying to help. You went back at it

Here's another one since I didn't take the time to read and prove them wrong or something. And are we all just gonna gloss over the fact that this person compared me to hitler for wanting freedom of speech to speak my ways?? It's not like I'm not saying your sacred word when it's needed And plus, why shouldn't I be agitated? It was all fine until people started hopping the bandwagon of "Oh you hate trans and nonbinary people why are you such a bad person? Even hitler thought he was good!" *sigh * Jeussss. Also worrying so much about someone HAVING to use a word to the point of calling them hitler when there are more pressing problems I have to deal with is from a height of privilege and thinking the US is the only place that exists in America. Also this reply is unlike you why were you so condescending towards me?

If this is your version of calm and collected, I wanna let you know it sounds passive-aggressive as hell. Which also comes off as condescending.

Then, @LordVincent gave their two cents on the sources and how you were misinformed.

Also please do not spread sources you have not thoroughly investigated on a topic where there is already SO MUCH MISINFORMATION being spread. Misinformation that, and this is true, RUINS LIVES.

You are spreading transphobic-sourced misinformation against a treatment that literally saves lives.

Which you took offense to, and got defensive again. Understandable.

Please do not label me as transphobic even when I clearly stated to not be.

And they cleared it up!

I said the sources you provide are transphobic.If you are not transphobic, do not spread transphobic sources and misinformation. Don't contribute to enforcing transphobic practices. Simple as that

Which you took to it kindly. Why wouldn't you, it actually cleared it up and prevented any further disagreement.

I wasn't aware the sources were transphobic as I didn't read the last part. So once again, misinformation

You talked to some other fine folk, but your passive-aggressiveness towards @audratki still continued on after they left. In a different reply towards someone else.

Although getting compared to hitler is a new one for me @audratki

@punkarsenic came back and told you that your sources are still wrong and ends with this

i realise this is a derailment of the thread, so i wont reply again and will mute the thread. but i hope you learn which sources are actually trustworthy for information, @A-weird-girler , and improve your researching skills significantly.

The overall reply is a little hostile, but you know.. still got a point, you can't spread misinformation.
Your reply however.. Well, you deleted it. I think that says enough.

@audratki came back and cleared herself up on the Hitler comment.and ends on

P.S. Right after the full moon is a bad time for you to be online, it pisses you off.

And again, you deleted another reply of yours but, I know you replied the same way. Which that's just straight up being aggressive, You weren't being sneaky with it anymore.

"You keep acting like you want the conflict to be over? Okay, then stop continuing the argument, take the L, and clear up the misunderstandings. Reintroduce what you actually wanted to ask, and be done with it. You have the power to end it each time you reply, man" This is what I had as my original reply. But you flagged the post and made sure it would be unlisted so no one else could see this or comment. Even the moderator knew you were in the wrong by saying..

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Learn from this. Keep things civil. If someone insults you, don't insult them back, what do you think is gonna happen next?? If someone tells you that you're wrong, just take it, and apologize for any misbehavior. Even if they haven't done that themselves. Be the bigger person, and move on. This was a train wreck and a half, but you know.. it was interesting. I'd say to control your anger issues (which I'm assuming you have based on the replies, sorry if I'm wrong), but I'm afraid you'll get mad at me for saying so. Learn to restrain yourself, and hopefully by holding back the conversations can go back to normal. Have a good one~

[Zhengo]

That's what happens when you treat language like an algebra problem. Don't know how they do it in Sweden, but in American schools 'x' is usually the go to letter for variables in an algebra equation, and some people got the dumb idea to use that in the English language for gender neutral nouns. I think it was mentioned above but the x is technically not supposed to be pronounced or something because it's just supposed to denote a placeholder for whatever pronoun a person wants to put in there (which means the words are verbally impossible to say I guess...)

I also think some people got the idea from JRPGs that would use X in place of names or years (like how in some RPGs characters will read documents that take place in 20XX to denote that the year is whatever the player wants it to be and how sometimes an unimportant place's name would just be like XXXXXX). But that's different from actually putting the letter 'x' in a word. For one, you can actually say "x" aloud if you don't want to change the placeholder, not to mention the x doesn't interfere with any other word's pronunciation. But if you force the x into a word then that x becomes part of the word, and it makes people want to pronounce it. Like, everytime I see "Latinx" I don't go like "Latin + the whatever pronoun" in my head, I just think "La-teenx" which sounds kinda silly in my head.

I'm actually glad this subject was brought up. I can get behind the idea that language is always evolving but if the future of English is a bunch of random x's in words then I'm out lol.

Long story short Math is very useful in a lot of places but not for changing the English language :V

[joannekwan]

Per the pronunciation discussion: I pronounce it 'La-teen-ex' where you say 'x' as the letter itself.

Personally I think 'Latine' (La-teen-eh) would be easier to grasp for people.

[A-weird-girler]

Y'know what? Thread over. sorry for opening this pandora box

[michaelson]

I'll be closing this topic and un-listing it.

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