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Sep 2018

OH MY GOSH another Ashita no Joe reference!! I love this place!!!

I stopped drawing because two people on a Discord chat made fun of my hamster drawings.

I posted about it here, and some person said "There's two types of people in the world: Those with talent and those without it. And hamster dude, I certainly, without a doubt, can clearly see that you're the type of person with no talent."

I do imagine lots of cool stuff in my head though. I'd be a great choreographer or director or something. I'm more motivated to draw, too!

The more this goes on the more I wonder if this isn't just a huge troll trying to hype up your comic/novel at this point.

Each reply is more out there than the last.

I'm not trying to hype up my comic/novel.

I'm a really scared and anxious person. This always happens and stuff. I'm not trolling! My ex-girlfriend really did say that stuff! She started talking to me last year but I made a mistake and now she doesn't talk to me anymore. It is all real and stuff and people always make fun of my work so I'm not trying to hype up my comic/novel cuz I know it won't work anyways.

Edit: fine I edited out the stuff I said in my last post. I really wanted help with how to deal with that, though. But I don't want people to think I'm a huge troll or whatever.

Alright. I said I wasn't gonna get into any of this anymore, and it looks like I failed on that.

So let me cut to the chase.

Please, stay on topic.

I've been trying to go over what you want out of your story, and I had to legit copy&paste before CUTTING OUT a lot of your replies in order to understand what you were getting at. And a lot of the stuff I omitted dealt with your personal business.

I do not want to know about your personal business.

I am a stranger on the internet who is not close to you. I shouldn't be hearing about what happened between your ex-friends, your ex-girlfriend, nor should I be hearing any of the personal business you give about those people.

The stuff you said about your mother should be kept PRIVATE.

You're giving way too much information, and you're kinda lucky that a lot of the people here are telling you this and not being outright hurtful.

That being said, let's also get to another thing:

I can't tell if you're blurring the lines between fiction and reality or not.

Look. I'm gonna be honest. I have made stories that have been loosely based on my own experiences and feelings. I have made characters that represented a part of myself or a part of the people I've known. But never have I:

A) Made it an obvious representation of myself or of the people I've known.
B) Told anyone that it was based on people I know or me.

The key word is "loosely".

Because I know at the end of it, none of what I write will ever represent or speak about myself or the people I know. There may be feelings there, but that's it.

You, on the other hand, are claiming to make yourself into the main character, people you know into the main character. You can't be doing that -- it makes it harder for you to take criticism, and quite frankly, you'll be giving out information some of these people don't want given out. You're still not understanding the idea of "boundaries".

Now, to answer your question -- Yes, you can make a MC that's a jerk.

But your problem is that you're not making a story. You're essentially making an auto-biography and oversharing a lot of stuff you shouldn't be sharing. That's my thing. There's a time and place to do so, but for what you're going for, I don't need all of that information.

@Freemints30 hey, I totally get your point and I would NORMALLY agree, but I'm giving that advice specifically to this user because of some posts he has written in the past...I really don't want to describe, but his posts have been blocked by the de administrator because they are disturbing (yes, they were that bad). I'm not against violence, darkness, and wickedness, This specific user has a trouble understanding where the limits are and are, and is worrying that he thinks that help is hate. That's why I encourage him to listen to the audience when they tell him he has gone too far because he doesn't get it.

@amortelito You're wrong :x I'm sorry about that. Like I said in the thread that got closed, I did not want to write the disturbing story at all. I was confused when the person said I could write a doujin about her, and people somewhere told me that a doujin means something sexual. And I told her that I hated writing her the messed up story, but I forced myself to even though it scarred me for life cuz I thought the reason she was mad at me was cuz of the doujin thing. It was a misunderstanding. I don't wanna be offtopic but I wanted to clarify.

It depends on who is defining what jerk means. People are different things to different people.

You
You're missing the point.

You didn't HAVE to write that stuff about her―you could've done ANYTHING else and it still would've been a doujin bc doujin are the same as fanfiction. You should've researched this before making that, istg. Doujin CAN be perverted, but you aren't forced to write shit like that.

Yea it's funny, I mean as you know, Wattpad hadn't always had the discourse. I used to be on here a lot more.

Anyway, as for the topic at hand, oui it depend on how you approach it. I'm in the middle of trying to draw my comic myself for the first time, and my character is basically a vampire.

What it depends on is how such jerkiness is handled.

A good writer/artist will make even a serial killer compelling, but it doesn't mean they'll make them likeable. Is this the question, as I'm understanding it?

I'd just like to say if a mod is looking, it'd be nice if you closed this topic. I got my answer and its de-railing sometimes. Partly from my mental issues I think. I'm sorry for making yet another topic that should be locked. I'll try my best not to do it again!

I kept wanting to delete this topic, but I like looking at some of the replies here, especially the encouraging ones with Ashita no Joe references.

a final word of advice...

all i'm getting out of your story is just you venting out your thoughts and feelings (which is fine)
while very closely following Real Life people who used to be your friends/best friends/enemies/etc

one scene they are supposedly even "celebrating" the death of the main character
making THEM look malicious, even if that wasn't your intention.

you keep repeating you're struggling a lot with friendship and heartbreak and confusion.
This story, the way it is now, is not gonna win you any more friends.
if anything, it'll only make the people you cared about even more upset.

Do not get too attached or emotionally invested in fictional work.
You cannot truly move on with your life otherwise.

please sit down and reflect on this very personal story of yours.
what are you hoping to get out of this? entertainment? new friendships? or just sympathy?

perhaps it's best to keep this kind of work something private.
and think up something new, something that has nothing to do with people you knew or things you went through. and write it down instead.

Put adorable hamsters and make them interesting in their own right.

And please, for your own safety.
read over your post at least once before sharing.
People on the internet are quite mean and like @Jenny-Toons said, you're quite lucky the people over here are very kind and patient.

That is all
GOOD LUCK
AND TAKE IT EASY!!

I don't know if I should add to this, but this is more about the innicial post and I haven't seen it mentioned here before but I still consider it very important when dealing with a jerk MC.

  1. When your MC is a jerk, give the audience at least one other character they can actually sympathise with and show that the jerkiness of MC actually has consequences that harm others and are not funny. Have people identify MC as a jerk and not as "uwu he is just one misunderstood creature" (which the "yay he's dead" scene makes it look like atm) - acknowledge him being a jerk because he harms sympathetic characters. Some people might thrive off simply of having a jerk as MC, but that usually is the minority. You need some sort of hook, and especially in a character driven story, you need a character that people actually like and want to get back to know more about them.

  2. Let his character growth come from within. If his "I won't be a jerk anymore" just stems from "well, everybody hates me for my ~quirky~ behaviour so if I change that, they will actually like me" is just... cheap, in lack of a better word. It is just an external motivation and doesn't actually demonstrate any sort of growth because he doesn't become a better person, he just keeps his jerkiness bottled up without actually acknowledging that he is, in fact, a jerk. Let him realise that his behaviour actually hurts people and that that is inheritly a wrong thing to do. Make him genuinely care about how other people feel instead of what they think about him. He is not the victim. He is the bully, the oppressor, and THAT'S why people don't like him. Make him realise that. Make us believe that he actually wants to be a better person for the sake of others and not for the sake of himself being treated better.

  3. About the blurriness of yourself and the character, one way to make the character less yourself, maybe add personality traits that you think you don't have, or not that prominently. If you don't know where to start because you really can't differenciate yet, give him hobbies that you don't have. Start to slowly extract him from yourself because to be frank, it will never end up good if it's a 100% self-insert (even in the form of a hamster.) Later exchange some personality traits that aren't inherently plot relevant and go from there. I wrote a fair share of self-inserts when I was younger, and editing myself out of them step-by-step helped me making them more their own character and even though I still identify with them, it's more on a meta level than right on "this is 100% me and my story."

I'm not sure you'll read this or acknowledge my advice but I hope you'll consider it at least in some way.

I think the problem here isn't that your MC is a jerk... it might be that you've been acting like a jerk yourself. Although, it's hard to tell which you're talking about most of the time. I have a protagonist who is a jerk but the difference is he's not a clear insert of myself. His experiences aren't creepy and invasive retellings of real people in my life who haven't consented to being written about.

I think you've got to rethink some of your approaches here. You might genuinely do some harm to yourself and others if you try to recreate your life through your fiction.

If your protagonist is a jerk who learns to be more humble, or more emotionally open, or more empathetic, that would be great. However if your whole character is cheaply hashed together out of how you perceive yourself with no real unique traits of his own then you're not going to be able to write him well. You need a protagonist you can use to drive a story, not a protagonist who exists so you can show other people who you think you are. You may find you'll lose the ability to tell a good story because you're too busy just retelling your own feelings and readers will not understand that. You have to step outside of your character. Let him be his own being.

Oh, I recognize you from Webtoon Amino.

Don’t worry guys, he’s a genuine poster. He’s not trying to troll anyone :slight_smile:

This is gonna be a text wall to end all text walls… GET READY to not read everything and scroll down lol

Let’s tackle each subtopic one by one :slight_smile:

First off, let’s go with your main question: Is it okay to write an MC as a jerk? The answer is yes… you can! HOWEVER, being a jerk doesn't excuse a main character from being charismatic. If your main character is not likable, people will be drawn away from your story, because nobody likes to follow someone dull or annoying. As long as your character is interesting and fun to read, you can write them as jerks and people will still enjoy the story.

Goodness of the heart does not come in absolutes and if your intention to start them off as jerks is to make them go through a character development arc that encompasses the story, maybe that's a great theme you can use to drive your story forward and keep your readers interested. Consequences for bad actions are a good way to drive a character arc forward, just don't make it too didactic or preachy, remember you want to entertain.

This is bridging between this first issue and the underlying issue you’re dealing with. You have made very clear that Abu is quite literally a projection of you and I’ll have to try to stop you there. I don’t think you should mix yourself with your character so seamlessly when your intention is to share your story to a general public that might or might not care about your issues… remember that first and foremost the intention of a comic is to entertain. It’s okay to draw from your personal experiences for writing your story, but it is not healthy to insert yourself like that, even if the name is different and it doesn’t look literally like you. Unless you want people to come for your personal experience the Nagata Kabi way and judge your personality through the character of Abu, I would not advise to go that route.

People have already mentioned Chris-chan before and I really do believe you need to check his work to learn what not to do when injecting personal experience into your creative work and online behavior in general. He actually published Sonichu for a while here in tapas so you might find it interesting as a quick crash course of comic making don'ts that's readily available. If it's a little harder to understand the guy from Down the Rabbit Hole dissected the comic in company of an actual comic artist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDdRDSP7ehA3

You want to write fiction, but you want to talk about things that happen just like in your real life through a Hamtaro-like aesthetic and that might put off a lot of readers. You’ll have to be ready for any sort of criticism and for people to be uncomfortable with your story. I’m not sure if you are emotionally ready to project yourself so literally in your story… have you considered writing a diary instead? It looks to me that criticism is the least thing you need at this moment in time and baring your heart just like that might make you more bad than good.

You have been asking for an artist for a good while and I just need to ask: if it's just hamsters, have you tried to draw them on your own? I'm sure that with practice you can become a good artist in no time, most of the good artists you see there have drawn their asses off for years and that's what got them to their skill level. I'm telling you this because I find it extremely unlikely that someone will want to work to draw your life story with no pay or reward involved, and I haven't seen you offer any kind of payment for the artist you seek. I know I would not want to draw someone's autobiography for free... your story seems self-serving so I think you should strive to make it on your own, artist or not. Like you said, start with a novelization.

From the mental health point of view, If you are able to put your concerns and experiences on paper on your own you might be able to understand your own feelings a little better so you can deal with them. All the more reason to just do it asap. But I want you to make it constructive. This is something you need to do in service of yourself. Instead of publishing it right away, try writing it first. Write something you would like to see... write something that brings you hope for your own future. Think about what you intend to get from this story, if this will help you gain the strength to come forward and become a better version of yourself or if you simply want people to feel sorry for you through your character… maybe try writing all of this so you can order your feelings. Why do you want this? What do you want from this?

Lastly, I urge you to seek help in the form of a therapist. I feel like you are desperate for help which none of us strangers on the internet can provide to you, but someone who is actually trained to do it could. I think you seriously need to consider something far less literal than you want to offer right now. Make your story an escape for yourself. You can use to to vent your feelings but you need to be smart about it. Do not divulge information that you have no business divulging, specially if it's not your personal information.

Remember that a reader is not interested in the author, the reader wants a compelling story, something that makes them feel something, but that doesn't overwhelm them with one feeling. Make a story of your own that is flavorful, with ups and downs, something to be excited for. And most importantly, understand that Abu is not you: the world of fiction is a wonderful thing, you don't need to strictly root yourself in reality to make something lovely. Think about making something lovely, work hard from it. Win or fail, you will have done nothing but your best, and that's something to look forward to and celebrate. Make something you want to be proud of. Instead of making Abu repeat your mistakes and your negative feelings, make him strive, make him powerful in his own way, make him make you proud. He is not you: he is your creation.

tl;dr: everyone likes likeable jerks, but I don't think what you need to write should be semi-autobiographic. Draw from your life experience yes, but don't beat your readers in the head with it, and do your best not to bare your embarrassing side on the internet this easy and literally: actually trolls thrive on picking on the vulnerable. Don't give them weapons. Instead write something that can give you hope.

11 months later

One of my main characters is a jerk. A big one, he insults anything that breaths, wail also anything doesn't breath, lol.

I think it's ok to have jerk as the main character, but there are some rules o it and it's overall harder to pull off than having a nice protagonist.

You can see it here in my comic :smiley: