JK Rowling Cancellation

[byelacey]

Now, to wonder if she is transphobic.........Can someone sumarize what did she say/do that was transphobic and who would be kind to share links to the tweets or whatever?

I don't think you can summarize the depth of the situation in 20 words or less. There are resources provided, and articles out there. If you google "JK transphobia" you'll find plenty of examples. She generally hides her transphobia behind her "feminism" (hence: TERF), so any tweets from her you'll see are her defending cis women against the trans women she perceives as a threat. And therein lies the problem, and the danger to trans womens' lives in particular.

This "I wonder if she's REALLY transphobic though" sentiments are kind of exhausting after people have provided myriad examples that you just don't want to bother with.

[DiegoPalacios]

Thanks a lot for the reply. Maybe i am feeling lazy for just waking up. Anyway, will follow your advice and do a quick google search to see what i find.

[Mobby]

the fact that you use FoxNews scares me...
however, I agree with you...
also, Rowling's original statement wasn't against transgenders however it was a tweet that could be interpreted differently
what actually made things go downhill was when she tried to defend her statement and didn't properly express herself and I admit she shouldn't have said some of the things she said ...
harry potter came out in 1980 and for its time it's very open and isn't against LGBTQ+ at all
Rowling's original statement was about how after surgery you can't go back and you can no longer have children of your own which is a big thing ...
You shouldn't feel conflicted, if you enjoy something you should enjoy it regardless of what people say ... cancel culture is a joke anyway it was good at the start and now it has literally reached a point that it walks over other people's human rights I have seen nothing good from it .
for someone who has been popular for such a long time I'm surprised Rowling managed to last this long without tripping over all those people who want to drag her down
the internet is scary

don't just take my word for it do your own research on the subject and make your own opinion

[Dane_Sherbet]

So I did a bit of my own research. The first Harry Potter book came out 26 June 1997.

Admittedly cancel culture can be way too heavy-handed and stupid. But you can't fault the sentiment behind it. In this ongoing culture war, it's the side that stands for the people.

[DiegoPalacios]

@byelacey Reached some of her tweets to judge better......there are probably way more out there, but these are what i found on a quick search.

This is a whole topic that would go on a massive tangent......if anyone is interested here is one of the topics that discussed it https://forums.tapas.io/t/getting-rid-of-gender-hear-me-out/28496

Gotta say i agree that surgery and hormone therapy is not a decision that should be rushed because of the health risks. Specially on children and because of the fact that children are on a life stage where they are figuring out their identity.

While i disagree with the analogy, the point about the health concerns are still valid. Pretending that those risks dont exist is irresponsible and people who has gender dysphoria deserve to take a fully informed decision.

Medication for any health issue, physical or psychological need a prescription. This law was made to protect the health of any person.

And here is a point i heavily disagree......there is a thing called menopause and another called not reaching puberty yet, so.....mentruating is not what defines a woman. Also, the "Wumben?,Wimpund?,Woomud?" was an insensitive move that doesnt help her case......

[Mobby]

lmao you are right I ended up typing when Harry Potter was born instead of when the book was published
However, I disagree I am part of no culture war. Culture is culture. because someone tweets something controversial does not give you the right to cancel culture...
you can't say you stand for the people if you are bullying people who just want to enjoy harry potter regardless of this whole tweet thing.
also did you research the tweet of just the books? tbh the books are a lot better than the movies

[KRWright]

https://twitter.com/Carter_AndrewJ/status/1270787941275762689?s=20

This thread goes through most of her concerns and debunks them. The thread creator is the owner of a platform that seeks to end disinformation being spread across social media. Take a look if you want to learn more.

[Mobby]

you really did research it! I like you!!
people like you make my day!
but yeah I agree with what you said... the initial statement defo isn't something that can just be summed up in a tweet...
and she kinda dug her own grave ... she had a valid point but ... wtf why would you explain it that way.
she did kinda make cooked herself up as the perfect prey for cancel culture
but from these I still can't see her being homophobic or against LGBTQ+
idk I never liked cancel culture and I'm not gonna like it now it attempts to just cancel Harry Potter for some tweets

[Dane_Sherbet]

I appreciate that you're going into detail on this, and explaining exactly which parts of cancel culture you think are ridiculous. Yes, I don't agree with bullying either, and especially not bullying casual fans or people who just want to keep having fond memories of the franchise.

But I must respectfully disagree when you say you're not part of the culture war. We're all part of this culture, which means we're all in the struggle whether we like it or not. There's been too much social engineering this last century, and very little of it has been in the public's interest.

@DiegoPalacios I also appreciate that you're moving away from having a twenty-word opinion. May I ask where you think Rowling stands at present?

[Iris-Grimoire]

Giving a ear to a known prejudiced someone "just asking questions" is exactly how we got vulnerable people buying conspiracy theories and some facist lines of thought(Folding Ideas' recent video on this is a good watch if you have the hour and feelings to spare). There's a limit where you just gotta say "regardless of your points being valid, you just want an opening to say bad things about trans people, so how about no", and JK has long since passed it considering the content of her newer books.

[Mobby]

huh fair enough, good thing you don't agree with bullying !!
attempting to rip appart someones carrier because of a set of tweets would be awfully similar to that !! I'm glad we see eye to eye!
also I'm still not part of a war! I'm part of a friendly debate, which doesn't have any real impact on society at all!
tbh these things happen a lot people go ballistic about what some celebrity said... personally I don't really follow celebrities or hang onto their each and every word...
from what I see Rowling started with a valid argument that simply could not be summed up in a tweet... and she dug herself a grave attempting to explain it through tweets... I'm sure someone you have done the same when you were driven into a corner while trying to explain something.
this debate has been fun though but it looks like I'm finishing with the same opinion I started with

[Mobby]

??? there's stuff in her new books thats against LGBTQ+??

[DiegoPalacios]

wtf why would you explain it that way.

Some people dont`t realize that snarky comments often fail to make the person willing to listen. Also, they may fall into strawman fallacy sometimes.

[sarrowsmith10]

the fact that you use FoxNews scares me...

It was the most recent article at the moment and easiest to link. I'm not much of fan of Fox, but it was easier than reading through a bunch of other articles to find just the perfect one. I think folks get the point of the situation.

[Mobby]

yeah I had only read the first tweet and the menstrual one ... the rest isn't as bad as the menstrual one but its still pretty bad..
aha and strawman fallacy what a useful term I didn't know existed this makes my life so much easier!
I feel like the more I hear about cancel culture the more I hate it... it feel like a bunch of wild dogs attached to chains that will bite at the heals of anyone who get close... if you slip up for even a second you don't know when they'll strike even if its not actually racist or homophobic you don't know how they'll interpret it ...
of course, that's Rowling's fault for not taking it into account its sad but she shouldn't have said what she did through a tweet ...
thanks again Diego! I've learned so good things!

[Mobby]

haha fair enough!
well I hope that reading our debates allowed you to see a good perspective from both sides, so you can form your own opinion.
Have a good day!

[Dane_Sherbet]

This is Rowling we're talking about though. A multimillionaire owner of a billion-dollar franchise. We're very much punching up toward the moon.

Society is everywhere, even in this forum. Every little bit of productive discourse counts towards progress. You say that your opinion hasn't changed (and that's totally valid) but you had fun, you refined your arguments, and you defended them with greater rigor. Those are good outcomes too.

[sarrowsmith10]

well I hope that reading our debates allowed you to see a good perspective from both sides, so you can form your own opinion.

This whole conversation has been very enlightening. I haven't interjected much since I really just wanted to learn how people feel about it. I'm also pleasantly surprised how civil it has stayed for the most part.

[Mobby]

you have a good point!
I guess the fastest way to grow and improve your way of thinking is through sharing opinions and debating ...
it has been fun indeed!
This is kinda wholesome, but, thanks a lot for your time!
have a good weekend!

[Iris-Grimoire]

The newest thing that sparked this thread is that her upcoming(or maybe it's already out?) book is a serial killer that dresses as a woman to kill his victims(and is sexually fascinated with women's clothes in general). It's EXACTLY a fictional justification that transwomen are just faking it and harming the feminist movement from the inside, just like the other dangerous stereotype with the t-word. Apparently this also came up a bit on the Robert Galbraith books but I only saw small snippets on twitter.

It's in the air exactly how much of Harry Potter's problems came from ignorance or deliberate attempts at bad stereotypes, but there's no hiding anymore with this new work of hers, since she was so kind as to leave it all over twitter and her blog.