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Jan 2019

Hello, I am an artist looking for writer with already written series (At least 2 completed episodes but the story need to be planned to be run around 30 episodes) for Lezhin contest.
Thread will be closed at 25 January 2019 since more than that, I am afraid I cannot finish it. (deadline 11 february).

Looking for:

Historical ( I like Arte, Pandora's choice, Otoyomegatari) or,
BL (I like King's maker, Canis, Captive prince). (my preference for BL is not the sweet one and I prefer not to draw explicit sex scene ^^")

You can check my art on my instagram

Just to clarifiy :') The 2 written episodes have to be posted somewhere, or it's fine if it's never posted as long as it's 2 episodes long?
Also, while i'm at it, in what form do you want it to be? Script? Or story's fine?
Another one, how long exactly your definition of 2 episodes? :') Like how many panels or??
One last question, what about the copyright of the work? Can you state that the art's yours while the story's the writer's? Because i heard if not discussed it'll automatically be the artist's own, though to this day i'm still not sure it's true, but it don't hurt to just clear things right? And along with it, had the work win later, it's 50-50 or??

I'm sorry for the questions dump D: But i'll have to know before pitching to you (´-ι_-`)

Hello :smiley:
- The story itself must be planned to run of at least 30 episodes, but to enter Creators must submit at least 2 completed episodes, so it's fine if it's never posted but you need to write complete synopsis and character bios to be submitted along with the webtoon. Story planned less than 30 episodes is not acceptable for the contest.

  • Story's fine but script is better.

  • Every episode need to be width 1280px and at least around 70 panels.

  • Story will be yours and art will be mine, if win 60 for artist, 40 for writer.

You can read more at https://www.lezhin.com/en/contest/2018#conditions15

Yeah, i've seen it too since i'm too eager :o

Writer need to write synopsis, character bios, all the while making a decent story in 2 weeks or so that can run for 30 episodes/6 months, story/script that's ""70 PANELS" per episode or "140 PANELS", and yet, only 40%? D:
May i know why the writer get the less credit? Even lezhin said the amount of panels is up to the participant, so why the "70 PANELS"??
Not like making a story is any easier, same goes with script, than drawing.

Just clarifying, i'd love to do this if it's 50-50 and less than 70 panels(not just it's hard for the writer, honestly isn't it hard for you as the illustrator as well??).
I don't see why the writer should get less credit in profit result, and lezhin told you any amount of panels are fine, like, even a 4-koma/4-panels comic, so i serlously don't get why it have to be 70 panels DDX I'm really interested in this :sob::sob: But 70 panels are @_@

-70:30 is common in my country, actually. Because artist need to design characters, background, making storyboard from script, sketching, inking and coloring while also put text inside comic pages. I dont know where are you come from but maybe your country different. It also depend on the kind of story you wanted to offer.

-Most of Lezhin chapters is more than 70 panels.

I see, well, but in my country the writer could also got assign to make character designs, they don't draw it, but the artist isn't the one who have to think of their clothes, hair, etcetc, not to mention giving the charas design to artist might interfere with their personalities, so usually writer did it.
Also, not like you can't ask the writer to make storyboard if that's what you want.
And i don't understand why would you need to make a storyboard again after you got a comic script, isn't that phase called "sketching"?? Since everything already laid out in the script. And had you want storyboard, you should search for that instead. Artists i've collaborate with just choose either script or storyboard, which means they're in the same level, thus only one necessary.
And background part of drawing, is it not? How can you expect writer to draw that? The writer might as well become your assistant and get 60-40.
Same with inking and coloring.
Well, about typesetting it depend on the artist, some artist is kind enough to count it as their part and some, not so.
And that most lezhin panels are their official webtoons.
Why would they said "any amount", if they expect people to draw 70 panels?
And do you seriously think you yourself can draw 2 70-panels episodes in 2 weeks??
That 70-panels webtoons you mentioned probably even uploaded per 10-days, and with assistant(s).
It might be possible to do had it's november 2018 right now, but considering the situation, 140-panels seems like a far off dream.
If you tried to catch lezhin's interest yet with this situation, isn't it just best to follow their rules? Not to mention had you pulled off a good story in this short amount of time and short amount of panels, it will totally catch their interest.
Honestly speaking, not even winning, even just simply being able to compete seems like a daydream with your "must 70-panels mindset".

And writer have to brainstorm, outline, make a cast of characters(with interesting and in-depth personality), making a plot, turning that plot to 2-episodes story that can be expanded into 30-ish episodes, pacing, twists, maybe worldbuild if it's fantasy, dialogues, script/whatever form to give to the artist, and maybe some foreshadowing. You think that's easy and everyone can do it?

If it is, both of you and i could be the next J. K. Rowling.


This is what I mean with storyboard. Most of manga and webtoon artists make them before sketching. Some artists hired one assistant just to make it for them.

If you think I am unrealistic enough, it's ok. Both you and I have different opinion.

Thank you for asking.

Hello, maybe you can give me link to your novels.
Also, I am looking for historical theme aimed for female reader and I asuume you making sci-fi from your titles.
I am not really good with sci-fi genre :sweat_smile:

I'm not sure if I'm just reading this wrong since it's the internet and we can perceive things differently - but your arguments come off as a bit condescending and unappreciative of artists imo.

As someone who does both the story AND the art on my solo project like many others on the forums - I personally found the 70:30 mentioned understandable, and the 60:40 a good deal.

This person has come with their offer and clear view of the sort of project they want to do - and you argue why not do a shorter series simply because you're allowed, and that their goal is similar to their official lenzin comics? But the aim for the contest i to win and become an official lenzin work? So with this in mind, that's an understandable goal to challenge and take the competition seriously.
(not to say shorter series cant, it just seems like it might appeal more to lenzin this way.)
And calling their plans "unrealistic" and a "far off dream" is something I don't think you have the right to argue. You don't know their schedule/ability/speed of workflow. And even if you did find this might be a bit concerning since this is a collab - your wording isn't the kindest to put it simply.

They never said they expected you to. They're merely explaining all the different aspects an artist must do in performing their part of the collab. These all takes lots of time and work. Writing does too, I understand that. But the art aspect simply has much more compacted into it in my (and seeing as I've seen others where the artist typically has the larger ratio - others) opinion.

My issue here is that, yeah you can give the general idea- but the artist is still expected to create something from your descriptions. You can describe "their hair is brown, the have sky blue eyes, etc" and different artists can create many different characters from these ideas. The responsibility of a good color palette will also fall on the artist here. There are TONS of variations of colors and how they work together with each other. It would again fall to the artist to make this work. This is part of what I mean by you seem to under appreciate the work an artist must do.


Idk, this has nothing to do with me but after reading your comment it really rubbed me the wrong way so there's my 2 cents. I'm not sure why you argued so adamantly on this when it is clear the two of you share very different views and a collab probably won't be possible between you both.

Right - my writer may come up with the "skeleton" of the design based on setting, personality and profession. I still decide 90% of the rest of it. Sometimes he might give me a colour scheme he wants that I'd have to change in a large part because it simply won't work aesthetically (aesthetically means logically too - a lot of things such as room interiors mix design with practicality. One such example was making a floor plan for a hotel room that was supposed to be luxurious - but it was a standard box shape. "Luxury" gets communicated through a less standard design, for one. Colour palettes are still subjected to practicality, too.)

He holds off on a lot of descriptions (makes novel based script) until I give him my finalized designs. In a large part, it's problem solving. "Ok, writer wants this general idea. Now I gotta take it and make it both work but look good."

I don't mean to bandwagon or anything, it's just a common sub-topic I see pop up in threads like these. You gotta trust artists to wield their expertise on your designs. We're tryna make your stuff even better, I promise.

4 months later

I apologize for the very late reply, i can't log to my account and just got it back these few days and scrolling my notifications.

Well, i'm not, not appreciating artist.
But not like i can do anything if that's how you perceive lt.

And the reason why i argue adamantly because lt felt like writers are the one who get less appreciated here. And so that's my 2 cents.
I'm sick of people putting artists higher than writers. Like huh? How funny, writers have
it just as hard.

I seriously do not agree why 50-50 is not fair, and 70-30 is the fair one. That exactly the reason why it feel less appreciated, if you still don't get it.
We can argue all years long that you think artists have it harder while i argue writers have it not harder simply JUST AS hard.
So let's just agree to disagree.

That being said, you said artists still have to choose color palletes, there are a lot of different shades.
Of course there are, but color palletes are a part of artists drawing style. So like, if the character have blue eyes, then just give it blue eyes of course. What blue shade is blue for you on your drawing style, that's to use.
And it's not like writers can't download drawing app pick a color and telling the exact code lol.
In short, i don't think it make it harder for artists.
I don't understand why you make it sound like something hard, it's like you say writers have to pick stories to cover loopholes.
I do not say it's easy, since it's not. But it's just supposedly part of their skill as that role, i mean what can i do if you don't know which blue to pick when i think all blue are fine since it's still blue, and what can you do when there's this unexpected loophole on the story, that's for us to deal with since it's our role (tell me long stories without even 1 loophole).

And you also said i don't have the right to said they can't do it? Why though lol, that's seriously what i think, why can't i say that? Also what i said isn't necesarrily a fact unless it is, just like yours. Why you can say what you think while i don't?
And seriously this person want 70 panels "COLLAB", meant they're waiting, for that collab partner.
Unless you're superhuman the odds are seriously against it :confused: I don't undersand why you don't see that.
It's hard enough for writers to cram a legit story to 2-episodes :/// And it also have to be expanded to what, 30 episodes @_@ Like what about pacing????? Even if you only have to post 2 eps you still want it or not think of the rough future 30 eps, unless you want a whatever(?) story that's done just because it's done.
Then the artist have to draw those 140 panels :////// First wait for the collab partner, second wait for the story, third wait until the drawing's finish sigh, even if you don't have jobs it's still not 100% certainty.
WHY do that when the rules even said any amount?? And short stories/flash fictions have it charms! Don't underestimate it :///

That's my opinion based average humans, if they and their collab partner happened to be the genius ones then maybe,,, they can pull it off. But that do not i don't have the right to talk.

I mean come on, if i ask artists i knew is it possible for them to do 140 pages in 2 weeks all of them would say no!
If this person can so what?! My opinions aren't wrong, no even if it is why i don't have the right to voice it?!! While you do? :////////////////////// Like what?

Not like your opinions are the rightest, you even said so by saying "this is my 2 cents", seriously like what??????? ://////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

I know, my definition of storyboard is name too.

But i know some artists who do it from scripts to sketch, without storyboards.
So yeah, not like it's not possible.
Then again not everyone can do it, so some people still need storyboards.
But i will repeat, it's not impossible as well. Because i saw people who did exactly that! ://///

And as i said if they need storyboard, they should search for that, storyboard/er/ist. Since usually writers can't draw that.
BUT there's indeed writers who's able to do that.
Anyway what i'm saying, if they need sb they should search for that, instead of simply saying "writer". Because, if you still don't get it, averagely people connect writer as writing, and sb is drawing.

"But in comic industry it isn't so rare writers draw a bit", is what you're going to say.
If that's right, i'm going to say, "there are a lot of writers who simply only write too".

Well, i never give color schemes unless i'm asked, so i can't say anything since now it depend on what type of writer it is.

And i'm also one of the writer who don't demand too much so i did that too, trust the artist.

26 days later

Thanks God,
For not collaborating with me.

A lot of people asking for collaboration in this forum, you can just looking for the more suitable one for you instead pushing me while yelling I couldnt make it

"trust the artist'
Yet you said it yourself more than once that I couldnt make it.
If you thought I couldnt make it, just leave me alone and look for another person, a lot of people offering themselves for collaboration in this forum.