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Aug 2019

I also think Tapas is not responsible. Yes, they are not doing all that they could potentially do, but IMO it's because they are overwhelmed. We can't really blame them for not having on-call staff dedicated to dealing with other's companies' outrageous decisions.

So they're passing the bans down to the creators as is...then they'll review them if the creator complains?

That doesn't make any sense logistically.

They might be going through all of them? And expediting cases where creators e-mail back.
I'm guessing the choice was either to accept Apple's wide-ass sweep or have the app removed. So they chose the sweep and are going through it little by little.

Wow, I JUST saw this. Body hair? Are they for real?

I assumed it concerned overtly violent and/or sexual content, but with examples like these here, all of us could get randomly hit by an automated ban, what the hell.

Time to build our own websites again, it seems. If all these apps just (have to) censor us, what's even the point? Seriously. Build a following with what's available and then hope for the best when you send people the link to your own page, where you can actually post your uncensored content. Sounds like the most business-savvy way to me right now.

This is ridiculous. :disappointed_relieved:

Mongrelmarie...got that notification sent to her already.

It cleared whatever the process is. That means the process is all the weakness in resisting Apple or faulty in catching errors though .

Either way, Tapas has to accept some blame.

For all we know, Apple's process could be the same as tumblr used in detecting nude bodies and whatnot.
Computers are dumb so the process is definitely faulty.

I'm just saying Tap probably had no say about that process and had to defer to it.

Okay...if they deferred to the process, then they're not going to "fight" that the ad/image doesn't contain any sexual content or animal/human deaths?

Mongrelnarie would be expected to alter it... How?

So they "might" fight things if the creator's bounce it back to them?

That's just transferring burden to the creators.

To be fair, the character is naked in the episode... But his groin is already covered with a giant blue dot whenever it comes into view. X'D The scene is also not sexy/gratuitous, which the Tapas staff agreed.

I can understand how conservative viewers still might not want to see it. But 1) isn't that what the mature tag is for, and 2) shaving my character isn't going to magically make everything kindergarten-appropriate...

TBH I'm... not too upset by the block itself, for my own comic. I was just extremely confused and scared the past couple days. Now that I've reminded myself (with the help and support of other people) that this doesn't make me any less of a creator, I'm starting to feel better. I understand other creators are also affected, though, and they may feel differently.

As I said, I think it could potentially have been dealt with better. But practically? I don't know. What I know is that I don't have a solution to offer, thus I can't blame them.

True, I know nothing about comic hosting websites, so they sure should know better than me; I, however, have experience with times of crisis in small structures with only a few staff; with the mistakes, bad decisions and uncertainty brought by being understaffed and with too much uncertainly ahead to hire more. Sometimes even if you have a strong, serious plan, a good compromise, all ready, the beginnings are shaky and it may convey the wrong idea to the public.

I'm not part of Tapas; I can't entirely disregard the possibility that they decided they don't want to fight anymore for the creators; but at this point, I have no reason to think that, as the additional workload and confusion seem to be enough to explain what's going on right now.

Of course, and I don't think anyone wants to force content down anyone's throat. I mean, I'm not especially keen on reading BL just for the sake of BL (although that genre seems to gain in people who follow well thought-out storylines), so when people don't want to have sex or nudity in their content? Who am I to judge?

The problem is that Tapas is ALREADY 17+, so censoring people's content based on, uh, prudery? Instead of just directing people to the 17+ sign, for heaven's sake?! It actually seems as if something else is going on. The app is not for kids. There are barriers you can build in kids' phones so they can't download anything that doesn't fit their age.

It more and more feels like a war on sexuality, nudeness, and the queer community – since these are things that seem to get flagged the most.

I'm not surprised with a "president" like that turd they have in the US right now, not surprised in the slightest. But it makes you wonder where it's even still safe for content creators anymore, especially from marginalized groups. :confused:

Then keyword ban, that's why mature tags exist and, again, I stand by my "investigate the damned flag" statement. Nobody should be forced to put up with this big brother garbage. Especially if you're not doing anything wrong. There's no excuse to ban things like "body hair" or LGBTQ+ stuff just because some conservative nobody has a problem with it.

Tapas CAN help us with this. Tapas CAN defend and argue the case as to WHY censorship is not the answer to this non-existent problem. Does some bad content fall through the cracks? Of course, but don't PUNISH everyone. Have an ACTUAL HUMAN BEING review the content and make the determination if it's a problem. Create a chain of command. This is NOT hard.

Look, every time something shaky goes on Tapas... This reasoning is the default defense. Granted, it's a logical reason but when it's as frequently cited as this...it points to a flaw in corporate strategy that still remains on Tapas. It's not an individual indictment of any specific employee but it can't remain the go to excuse for when things go wrong.

Someone made a very good summary of the inherent problem on Twitter when patreon started to pick and choose what fantasy NSFW wasn't okay(hypno, transformation, etc, it's been a few weeks). I can't find the link unfortunately, but basically the site has to answer to who pays the site, who pays the site has to answer to the bank, the bank is people who like their ads immaculate and have no concept of mature ratings. Apple has its own system, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's no different than how trigger happy Paypal is to remove any evidence that they've ever had a plataform for Things Unsuitable for Children/Ads.

This issue goes all the way up to the big companies too.

When we were trying to launch the Demon House of Dates mobile game, it was approved by Apple (funnily enough), but Android denied the initial application. After some back and forth, when we were finally able to get into contact with an actual human being reviewer, they told us the female demon model cannot have uncovered breasts (even though none of the bases were of human skin tones and were all nipple-less). So the devs made a change and Android finally approved the game a couple weeks after it had already launched on Apple's store. Had we not tried to appeal, we would have just had to accept the denial from Android.

I think the greater issue is, actual human beings can be flawed and interpret what falls under their company's guidelines their own way. One thing like nipple-less Barbie boobs can be 'too sexual' for one content reviewer while its totally fine and passable for another.

My point is, and I will maintain this with ever ounce of strength I've got, that mindlessly censoring or allowing an algorithm to censor us is NOT the answer. It has been repeated that this censorship is not just targeting the overtly sexual stuff, it's attacking things that are even relatively vanilla.

We are being stifled and we need to find a way to take action.

I understand your reasoning, but I think today, it's close to impossible to hope for a well functioning entity respectful of creators.

I may be pessimistic here, but I think short and medium term, we have to make do with bad compromises, or have nothing.

But if you have ideas on what Tapas could do, I'd be glad to listen to them and maybe change my mind.