Poorly made collab requests and specific reactions (Rant)

[TheYaoiEmpire]

Didn't realize that person had did that to be mean... wtf.

[malverav]

That popup still works. It strikes me as wild that people don't take the time to read the room before making a new thread; I lurked for ages as well before starting to talk! It's not hard, and it means that you don't come over as rude or ignorant.

[malverav]

True, it's why in industry artists are often paid an upfront flat page rate when working on someone else's (the writer/owner) script... but I don't think a lot of these collabers are aware of that when they pitch or spout about royalties. You'll split royalties when you're equal creative partners, and you need a contract etc for that or it'll end in tears.

Writers are more prolific, that's just a fact. My current collabing partner has finished three scripts in the time it's taking me to draw their 12 page comic, but the amount charged if we were charging would reflect that. My pagerate would be about equivalent to their full script rate for twelve pages. It doesn't make one form of art more valid than another, though, which seems to be an aspect of that whole debate and my personal bugbear.

[CodeMonkeyArts]

Take the time to read.

I would agree with this and I think it's easier to do so here than in other sites due to the size of the forums. However, This also depends on how much time people have to look through the forums.

Not only that, but there seems to be a lot of situations that not even I was aware about. Like the artist vs writer debate. I have no idea on that, nor did I realize that the collab posts can become a sore spot. Perhaps sending a link to a similar post and the requesting a new/duplicate thread to be locked or closed by a moderator may help clear out some clutter.

Granted I'm not sure how often the threads are moderated.

[CodeMonkeyArts]

I feel like the posts that end up complaining or making fun of someone because of a rather innocent request ends up forgetting rule number one:

There's Never a Wrong Time to be Polite

[silverraven0]

cough @malverav

I use my procrastination time doing this instead of doing my commission so please don't judge me too much. ;v; So I figure I should just make a guide about ‘How To Make A Good Collaboration And Partnership Offer’ Thread. There's one I found that dated back to the 2015, but I think I should make a new one. :slight_smile: I will be writing what I've known about how to make a thread offer that would make you save your and the potentially interested artists or writers time and picking their inte…

It need editing and the format is kinda atrocious but I'm just lazy. This is enough information I think.

It's pinned once upon a time, but the pin got removed for some reason. Or is it just me?

[GesuGesu]

I only judge if they say they're a writer and their communication/grammar is poor. squints I don't judge writers otherwise since I'm usually happy to volunteer for them, IF ONLY they weren't all gigantic projects that would suck 3 years of my life away.

[malverav]

I've seen/linked people to that thread before, it's great! Thanks for making it, it's a great rescource that I wish popped up as a huge intrusive popup that forces you to read it whenever you try to make a post in the collabbing section. I think it got removed as a pin, or maybe I can't see it pinned anymore.

[malverav]

Oh my god, same. And "editors" with basic grammar mistakes drive me bananas too.

Surely a lot of these people are new and just aren't aware of how long drawing a page takes yet. They take 30 seconds to read, so people assume they must be quick to pump out. 6-8 hours? What?

[ratique]

We're currently reviewing terms and guidelines of the collaboration topic, because I agree - it's gotten pretty egregious.

[CodeMonkeyArts]

Wow! People don't get that?

I'm doing my story in WebNovel format (with insert images) because I know how long it takes me to draw an image and I ain't got time for a webcomic. Depending the color choices, inking, paneling, detail needed, I can imagine that one page should take at least three days. O.o

[malverav]

You're a gem. Thank you!

[GamerPrincessXI]

Hey.....I have several scripts. Two of them are a simple search on tapas. One called, Life of Shiori and the other one is is called Finding StarFalls. Both differ. One is about finding yourself among friends and the other is an adventure.

[ar-ninetysix]

What the heck is this, I come back and you're trying to collab with someone on my thread whining about collab threads! xD

[malverav]

Never stop hustling

[IndigoShirtProd]

I feel like the issue isn't uninformed people make inefficient collaboration topics, I think it's more or less people coming into the forums with an account that's hardly 24 hours old making a b-line for the collaboration category to make a job posting. The difference is the line between collaboration and commission. Often it feels like some of those posts are just people looking for an artist or writer to work for/under them as opposed to with them. Of course there are examples of people taking the critique on their post and making the necessary changes. Honestly, I just dont like seeing the collaboration thread clogged up with posts that barely qualify as asking for a collab.

[nostalgicroxas]

Well wait, I think @ar-ninetysix is kind of onto something more than just the "new users here for 24hrs" being steered off because of bad responses to their collab request thread. Those kind of rude responses I've seen to some of the threads would deter someone who's been here daily for a year, or semi-weekly for just a few months. It doesn't matter how long someone's been here, if everyone gangs up to the collab request thread with rude responses that amount to "NEVER ASK ARTISTS TO WORK FOR FREE WE COST EXPENSIVE PRICE TAGS AND HERE'S OUR DEMANDS". It's... a collaboration. Let's just remember what the definition of that word means. If someone wants to pay for an artist to do their work, that's called an employee, and is not a collaboration, and they will not be searching here, of all places.

[AceRagz]

What really bothers me is when someone is so new that their first post -is- a collab request someone or couple of people quickly respond only to unload their anger and frustrations out on these new folks for past bad pitches. Especially when the op asks well how can I improve? And the responders pretty much admit they just wanted to unload on them and they never had any serious interest in the project. I mean is this the kind of intro we want new people to get to the community? This sets a bad impression right off the bat.

[GamerPrincessXI]

XD, this isn't a collab thread. I thought it was.

[GamerPrincessXI]

I would like an artist to work with me not for me. The first collab that I did fell apart because of our lack of communication. I wish to do another collaboration. Actually when about it the right way and still got no response. But once I mentioned paid. Artist jumped at it. I don't have a lot of money to throw around. If I did, I probably ask myself how well do I know this person. I'd want to build a friendship with this person and hopefully they don't abandon my work.