Poorly made collab requests and specific reactions (Rant)

[ar-ninetysix]

Guys.

A poorly made collab request does not make it okay to get pissed at somebody for it, nor does it make it okay to make a satirical post making fun of them and similar users for making lower quality posts. Like seriously?? All it takes is one person to just be like, "hey, adding some more info about the project would benefit you, here's a few links to other collab posts that give plenty of info and get a lot of attention as a result"

More to the point, it's be nice if y'all would check how long a user's been on here before saying something. Those of us on here who frequently come here see these and get tired of them, and have even made full-on discussions about those posts, meanwhile new users might not even know that this is an issue on the forums. How are you gonna get mad at them for some unofficial rule they might've never known about?

And even further than that, what if behavior like that pushes them off of the site in general?? They try asking for help and instead someone tells 'em their post sucks, people dogpile on the poor newbie, or maybe they even get made fun for it in a separate thread?? All of that from people who were never even remotely interested in the collab in the first place! Imagine of one of their friends is considering looking into the forums, and this user's response is just telling 'em "nah, don't even go there, that place is so condescending and elitist, it's so not worth your time. i asked for help and got ganged up on for not asking correctly"

I'm just fed up with this type of response, man. The artist vs. writer threads give me the same type of vibes, but that's a topic for another day. All in all, we've already said everything we've needed to say and have a tendency to repeat ourselves to people who don't know any better, and that really sucks for those on the receiving end of that. Like, is it that hard to just politely tell 'em to add more?? Y'all be wildin sometimes

I dunno what else to add to this, thanks for coming to my ted talk

[AceRagz]

Someone who makes sense and speaks the truth.

[malverav]

I wish there was a pinned post giving people some information about collabbing posts - the vibe I get from a lot of them are young artists who aren't sure how to sell their work or aesthetic and aren't aware they can come across as entitled or rude. That, and people new to forum culture altogether. Maybe something baked into the forum rules/guidelines. It's just ignorance, these newbies will always learn; who wasn't a moron on forums when they were like, ten years old? (My parents did not supervise my internet usage and they really should have lol)

Tapas has the same three threads repeated every day, like the artist v writer debate comes up every week and it is super, super silly. We're all creatives. Chill. Everyone's job is hard, no need to try and compare apples and oranges.

Still, if your account is an hour old and your first post is wanting someone to do a 25 chapter epic for you it comes across spammy if you're at all cautious on the internet. We're all more aware of spammers/bots/art thieves nowadays, or at least we should be. It's not hard to create a rapport and earn some trust in the forums before asking for spec work.

That said I'm currently scouting for a writer for a short (12 page) story but haven't been able to find any examples of scripts/previous work in 90% of the 'artist wanted' posts, which is a little sad because I need to see it before pledging hours of my time to a collab .

[skicoak]

Everyone's job is hard, no need to try and compare apples and oranges.

But we sort of HAVE to when it relates to profit distribution models and pay structures .

That's why the artist VS writer pops up so much....no consensus on a re-occurring issue.

[Jenny-Toons]

Honestly, people would know more about the situations if they took time to read the previous threads. We wouldn't have as many repeated threads if people paused, took a few minutes, and looked around to see the threads that already exist.

Whether you're new here or not doesn't matter. There is more than enough threads that pop up about these collabs or questions or anything. And I'm pretty sure the "this thread looks similar to this pre-existing thread" pop-up isn't broken. It wouldn't take much to read and then at least begin to understand.

It's what I did. Long before I made my first post, I took time to lurk, read the other threads, get a vibe for what the forums were.

Like...read. That's all I ask of people...

Take the time to read.

[TheYaoiEmpire]

Didn't realize that person had did that to be mean... wtf.

[malverav]

That popup still works. It strikes me as wild that people don't take the time to read the room before making a new thread; I lurked for ages as well before starting to talk! It's not hard, and it means that you don't come over as rude or ignorant.

[malverav]

True, it's why in industry artists are often paid an upfront flat page rate when working on someone else's (the writer/owner) script... but I don't think a lot of these collabers are aware of that when they pitch or spout about royalties. You'll split royalties when you're equal creative partners, and you need a contract etc for that or it'll end in tears.

Writers are more prolific, that's just a fact. My current collabing partner has finished three scripts in the time it's taking me to draw their 12 page comic, but the amount charged if we were charging would reflect that. My pagerate would be about equivalent to their full script rate for twelve pages. It doesn't make one form of art more valid than another, though, which seems to be an aspect of that whole debate and my personal bugbear.

[CodeMonkeyArts]

Take the time to read.

I would agree with this and I think it's easier to do so here than in other sites due to the size of the forums. However, This also depends on how much time people have to look through the forums.

Not only that, but there seems to be a lot of situations that not even I was aware about. Like the artist vs writer debate. I have no idea on that, nor did I realize that the collab posts can become a sore spot. Perhaps sending a link to a similar post and the requesting a new/duplicate thread to be locked or closed by a moderator may help clear out some clutter.

Granted I'm not sure how often the threads are moderated.

[CodeMonkeyArts]

I feel like the posts that end up complaining or making fun of someone because of a rather innocent request ends up forgetting rule number one:

There's Never a Wrong Time to be Polite

[silverraven0]

cough @malverav

I use my procrastination time doing this instead of doing my commission so please don't judge me too much. ;v; So I figure I should just make a guide about ‘How To Make A Good Collaboration And Partnership Offer’ Thread. There's one I found that dated back to the 2015, but I think I should make a new one. :slight_smile: I will be writing what I've known about how to make a thread offer that would make you save your and the potentially interested artists or writers time and picking their inte…

It need editing and the format is kinda atrocious but I'm just lazy. This is enough information I think.

It's pinned once upon a time, but the pin got removed for some reason. Or is it just me?

[GesuGesu]

I only judge if they say they're a writer and their communication/grammar is poor. squints I don't judge writers otherwise since I'm usually happy to volunteer for them, IF ONLY they weren't all gigantic projects that would suck 3 years of my life away.

[malverav]

I've seen/linked people to that thread before, it's great! Thanks for making it, it's a great rescource that I wish popped up as a huge intrusive popup that forces you to read it whenever you try to make a post in the collabbing section. I think it got removed as a pin, or maybe I can't see it pinned anymore.

[malverav]

Oh my god, same. And "editors" with basic grammar mistakes drive me bananas too.

Surely a lot of these people are new and just aren't aware of how long drawing a page takes yet. They take 30 seconds to read, so people assume they must be quick to pump out. 6-8 hours? What?

[ratique]

We're currently reviewing terms and guidelines of the collaboration topic, because I agree - it's gotten pretty egregious.

[CodeMonkeyArts]

Wow! People don't get that?

I'm doing my story in WebNovel format (with insert images) because I know how long it takes me to draw an image and I ain't got time for a webcomic. Depending the color choices, inking, paneling, detail needed, I can imagine that one page should take at least three days. O.o

[malverav]

You're a gem. Thank you!

[GamerPrincessXI]

Hey.....I have several scripts. Two of them are a simple search on tapas. One called, Life of Shiori and the other one is is called Finding StarFalls. Both differ. One is about finding yourself among friends and the other is an adventure.

[ar-ninetysix]

What the heck is this, I come back and you're trying to collab with someone on my thread whining about collab threads! xD

[malverav]

Never stop hustling