So my art is apparently at worst racist and at best colorist ? (LONG RANT)

[Carossmo]

Hahahaha "the sun is racist" is so hilarious

I'm Filipino... Most of us get tanned like that, either working in the fields all day under the sun... Or when we go out to swim in the beach or a swimming pool lol

Please tell your friend to do research first before being emotionally affected by color

[IdiotWithPencil]

your friend sounds fun at parties XD, my suggestion ignore slash forget about it =P these kinds of people don't deserve even the time of day <.<

[mong2]

I'm probably gonna be repeating what other's have said, but this is too stupid for me to not say anything. There's NOTHING wrong with you or your art (which is very attractive btw, and do you have a comic ). Your friend on the other hand...

My brother (who's asian) worked at a kayak rental shop for one summer and he had pretty much the same tan, same with my friend (also asian) who played tennis for a whole summer. I'd say you drew him dressed appropriately, he's fishing what else is he supposed to wear smh. When I go hiking, camping, or some similar outdoor activity, I'm gonna wear clothes I don't mind getting dirty. I'm not gonna wear a dress, heels and carry around a little purse... that's ridiculous.

[amortelito]

People like this just sound desperate to feel "woke" and smart about things they have very limited knowledge about. The mere fact that they are saying that having a tanned face is doing "the blackface" makes me think that they live too much on the internet and barely know anything about culture and life in general.
I have that type of skin that looks ghost pale but tans very easily, it is not like I'm changing my race when I tan.

non mexicans were calling it racist when to them it was very much welcomed that their culture was being represented at all

OMG this!!!! People constantly offended for the sake of others are making racial differences stronger!! Some people on the internet were outraged at the movie Coco for doing "cultural appropriation", I'm a Mexican, we loved that movie and everyone cried at the cinema. So, don't tell us to be offended, we just want to watch the damn movie.

[Rosso]

what the hell is a "colorist" now? we're out of things to be offended about? this is just nitpicking.
i'm sorry but your "friend" seems to just to wanna pick up a fight. the context and intentions are quite clear to strangers, they should've known better you meant no ill intentions behind it.
Give them a lecture on what tanning is like, iiuno...

[kip]

Please tell your friend to do research first before being emotionally affected by color

this is the best line i’ve ever read

[joannekwan]

what the hell is a "colorist" now?

Colorism has more to do with connotations, for example like consistently showing darker skinned people in lower paying unskilled jobs and lighter skinned people with more white collar jobs in higher positions.

[AllynCrowe]

Jumping off of your comment: that's just
called institutionalised racism/sexism, there is a perfectly fine word for that already. Colorism is just unnecessarily adding skin colour to discrimination, when for example poles being discriminated against by british people, or the Hutu against the Tutsi would be just as much racism, as black people discriminated against in America by a white majority.
So in itself 'colorist' is too narrow, making it sound like superficially same coloured people can't be racist against one another - effectively making it a really dumb term since you're undermining your own cause

So don't use colorist kids, institutionalised racism (or discrimination) is the term you're looking for.

[joannekwan]

poles being discriminated against by british people, or the Hutu against the Tutsi would be just as much racism, as black people discriminated against in America by a white majority.

These are examples of racism for sure, since each group has a separate ethnic identity.
But colorism I think is just a modern extension of classism based on the old notion that lighter-skinned people within the same ethnicity are more 'desirable' as they stay indoors and don't have to work out in the fields like peasantry (particularly so in East Asian cultures). So colorism is more institutionalized classism.

Then again I haven't really delved into ethnic studies so I can't say for sure.

[Karmillina]

Sounds to me like your friend is doing their darnest to reach for the stars, or any straw, whatever is closer.

[AllynCrowe]

I don't think there is such a thing as 'institutionalised' classism, since class in and of itself is a social institution. 'Institutionalised' in this context means that the government, or any other power that hold the reins, prevent a minority from getting equal treatment - class is a way to do this, making it one of the tools a regime uses for institutionalised discrimination.
For example the class of 'Burakumin' or undesirables in feudal Japan that has bled over even into current day Japan, or a big divide between private schools and state schools offering better or worse chances respectively at academic excellence to children (who should statistically have the same amount of intelligence on average), making it effectively so that there is a class of poorer people that cannot afford tuition, who then cannot get the diplomas to join the class of well-educated citizens.

Colorist is not a term that needs to exist, nor is it one that we should want to exist, since it waters down the issue of discrimination and racism to something that allegedly happens between different skin-colours, nullifying all the progress made for minorities not in that extremely niche branche.
All it does is isolate and divide your own cause. There is a reason feminists, people of colour, homosexuals and the working class protested together in the 60s 70s and 80s: they were all discriminated against, but not all 'coloristed' against.

[chickknightgreenleaf]

sorry to say this but your "friend" come off as ignorance, pretentious, self-righteous and obnoxious, looking for trouble where there is none. like what people think of Social Justice Warrior are. I think you need a new friend. I mean... black wash? racist? I'm Asian here (Chinese-Vietnamese, born and grow in Vietnam) and I get even darker when I exposed too much to the sun, I even saw a lot of my countrymen who are more darker than what you drawn. and what the deal with rural and simple? Is that person know how obnoxious that person is, so rural and simple folk is bad?

[unknown_user]

I think you need a new friend.

Everybody have already understood that this friend was wrong. Nevertheless, Topic Starter didn't ask with whom they should be friends and with whom they shouldn't. It is their own business.

[vothnthorvaldson]

Yes. Plus, this kind of uneducated comments the friend made may have started with good intentions and then became intolerant and paradoxal because of various reasons (hanging out with the wrong crowd, being young/immature and excessive, etc.).

As irritated as I am by this kind of behaviour, I don't think it necessarily makes the person essentially bad and unsalvagable as a friend. (Although common repeat of the behavior over time would eventually make me give up on them).

[UrMom]

Lmao by that logic my very existence is "coloriest" because, even though I'm not Asian, I can go between being ungodly pale and extremely tan depending on how much sun I get. I just assume your character is a big city kid who doesn't expose skin that much/is indoors a lot, and the first drawing is them doing outdoor stuff in the summer. (At least that's usually how it is with Japanese comics/cartoons) Like, it's normal if that's how your melanin works?

Also you have to, you know, make the character black to make black-face... a very stereotypical looking black character. There is red and yellow face, but... that's not how it works. Drawing your character with a tan isn't racist. Now if you made their skin yellow, and their eyes squinty, that would be another story. Look at old racist Looney Toons or Disney stuff.

Tell your friend he's stupid, then block him on Facebook.

[DiegoPalacios]

Perhaps you should give your friend a crash course on suntanning because they clearly are under the impression that the sun is racist when it is in fact, not racist.

the sun burns everyone equally

[CallMeMattheww]

Thank you for the compliment and yes I do have a comic you can check it out here SOLDIER

And about my friend like others have said I think he really had good intentions but the fact that he refuses to listen to reason and the fact that he's annoyingly stubborn doesn't help either but hopefully he'll come around and actually see things from a less extreme perspective

BTW we actually haven't spoken ever since i showed him the picture on Monday and we had a "debate" about it, so even if we do start talking again I don't think I'm gonna show him my art anymore LOL (I really don't need that level of toxicity around my art)

[sprite_1ww]

I don't think I'm gonna show him my art anymore

Good decision­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­

[demthorshie]

Being an Afro-Caribbean black woman married to a South Korean man, I can personally vouch for the fact that Asians can tan super hard in hot weather. My husband can get darker than me in the summer time if he's out long enough, hehe . I personally don't see a problem with your art, I'm not seeing anything blackface or colorist in the above pick whatsoever. I think your friends are just being ridiculous.

[Shanny8]

actually it's colorist

A) I dont think your friend totally understands the concept of colorism and B) the "fashionable, cute and chic with light skin" comment versus the "rural and simple with dark skin" is pretty much is a 'colorism' statement in itself, implying that dark skinned people cant be "fashionable, cute, and chic".