So should I be worried? (Clip Studio)

[DualDragons]

So this has come to my attention. Clip Studio is bringing out a Version 2.0 as stated here:

https://www.clipstudio.net/en/news/202208/22_01/

And they mentioned bringing in a 'update pass' if you don't plan on purchasing a perpetual license for V2. Which feels like it is turning in a subscription based payment instead of a one-time payment. Which kinda sucks.

I could always wait for a sale of CSP to buy the V2 version but I imagine it is really infuriating if you paid a higher price for like say CSP EX and then they are like "purchase it again or pay a subscription".

[VibrantFox]

I think the tl;dr i've gathered from twitter is that it basically is moving to a sort of subscription model so you can buy V1 with the one time purchase but you'll have to pay for future updates which sucks for folks who've been using it for so long + singing it's praises given the original one time purchase was one of it's major selling points

as a medibang user i'm not affected but like...it sucks to see :\

[alliascompany]

Really don't like the sound of this. The reason I finally got clip studio was because when Medibang came out with a premium version, they locked my cloud account for being over the limit.

[VibrantFox]

they locked my cloud account for being over the limit.

i didn't realize this was a thing but i guess it's coz i don't use cloud storage? i was aware of the implementation of limits with the introduction of premium but didn't know they were locking accounts for passing the newly imposed limits

like i kinda get imposing limits since it's a free software and they have to be able to fund whatever servers to host storage but that's genuinely news to me

[alliascompany]

Yeah, it was beyond infuriating. I had been using it for years so was way beyond the limit. I loved using the cloud feature but just like that, my art was locked behind a paywall. Luckily the app was having a free-trial promotion so didn't have pay anything, but it really soured my feelings on the program.

[DualDragons]

Yikes, I did use the cloud a little bit back when I still worked with medibang but having your art locked behind a paywall is not a good practice

[Lensing]

Nooooo, and I just got used to clip after owning it some time and never using it.
I´m using it for flatting right now, I had photoshop but the monthly payment was the reason to quit it

[Enthriex]

Actually, from the comments I read (I was like reading for 2 hours xD) the best course of action is to wait until Version 3 comes out, because once you pay for version 2, you won't get any 2.1 updates unless you pay for an "Update pass"

However, if you wait until version 3, you can get every feature from version 2, though, I dunno if version 3 will have a perpetual license as well

I'm actually hoping they pull back their decision. People say they must make money somehow but it's a d*ck move to charge full price for a second version and then have you pay for subscription right away and when it expires it will force you to install V1 again.

If they needed that much money they wouldn't hold monthly contests giving away 10,000 USD so... there's like no need to pull a horrible stunt like this. People would be fine purchasing whole versions like when 2 comes out and then 3 comes out but not subscriptions :s

So! Going back to the thread's question... Don't worry, just keep using version 1 until version 3 comes, cause when 3 comes out that's when free bug updates and support will be revoked from version 1.

So just buy V3 if you want to get all the V2 features. (V1 will keep working and if you're already using the tools available you probably won't need the new ones if any come out, yes, it'll be a bummer to not have access to new features)

As a CSP EX user I'm planning to wait until 3 comes out and see if it has a permanent license + buy it on sale if it goes on sale. I don't see the purpose of buying version 2 just to be locked out from updates immediately afterwards

[RedLenai]

Well... If my understanding is correct

V1 is still available, assets and all, but eventually there won't be more updates for it. If you don't experience bugs or literally you have no problem with the program, I don't see why would you get a new license for V2 in order to get updates and a few features. But the first lines literally mention that you'll be able to use the program freely, just that there won't be more maintenance of it.

V2, well, is a totally different licence compared to V1, with different features, but with a new version comes new bugs, so yeah, you'll have to update it whenever there is a fix. And it's, I think, a subscription be it monthly or once a year. The theory is that CSP is trying to take advantage of professional artists that works for companies and it's more convenient for them to work with the subscription plan + all the weird features that they require to use compared to "less professional" or simply "those that don't take advantage 110% of the program or use all the features that it comes with"

(Like literally, a lot of people pay for EX to work on webcomics but PRO seems just fine to me?, and I've used both since for CTA you could use a 1 month trial of EX, used it one day, couldn't adapt and just continued using PRO)

Now, V3 seems that is going to be V2 for when they fix everything and has all the updates included, as well for the one time payment to get the License.

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My conclusion is... even a discontinuated product can still function, to be honest, unless that they tell me the program is obsolete or that I won't be able to open up a Canvas or... idk use my already downloaded stuff, I couldn't care less about continue using V1 despite I cannot update the program anymore (And to be honest, I barely update CSP because if I don't have a big ass reminder or like, the program itself gives me a notification or prevents me from working, I won't remember that this program needs updating)

I worked with a Genius i608x since 2011 for almost a decade, which I believe it was already being discontinued back when I bought it and had no problems despite I only had the drivers that came up with the Installation CD... and I only had to change the tablet when the pen was utterly destroyed and drawing area was too marked by the nib that it was making the cursor tremble despite I was making a straight line. And so I switched to XP-Pen.

So... I'm.... not worried at all? I was at first when I woke up but after reading the whole thing, no more.

[Enthriex]

You're right with thisss, I myself paid for the EX version but because of the animation features, if I didn't want/need them I'd get pro =P

But indeed! Unless they give us a really game changing feature that is unavailable on the 1 version, then would I bother updating or something. Though even if I did, I'd wait for version 3 so it had all of V2's (though only if there's a permanent license there)

But aside from that, it's cool that at least they'll keep updating V1 for bug fixes and stuff until V3 comes out.

But yeaaah I don't recommend V2, V3 would be something to consider when it comes out and oooonly if it really has features that make it worth it. Otherwise V1 is enough and I'm thankful my license is still working XD

So yeaah I agree with your thoughts BD

[hakei]

The part I hate the most is that if you do purchase the Update Pass to get Version2.1+ updates but have to cancel the Pass for financial reasons or whatever, you automatically lose all the updates you've had so far and have to use Version 1.0 or the base Version 2.0.

Yes we can purchase Version 3.0 but unless Clip releases a roadmap of when we can expect major updates/versions to be released, Version 3.0 may as well be 10+ years away (we've been on Version 1.0 for 10 years now).

[hakei]

Oof, I'm the opposite, I can't imagine going back to PRO now
EX's multi-page management and its auto-conversion of 3D objects to lineart/tones is something I use all the time and can't live without. It's cut down on my production time exponentially.

[daeygur]

Honestly, to me this is a slap in the face. I guess I'll remain with V1 until it breaks, or I find another decent art program. Imagine if they pull an Adobe and charge a $50 cancellation fee.

[toonben]

As a user of Clip Studio for seven years, I'm very disappointed in them for making Clip Studio subscription based service. The problem is that I can't afford a subscription like everyone else. I can stick with V1 and hope for the best. Do you have any good alternatives, particularly for making comics? There's Gimp, Sketchbook, and Krita.

[Enthriex]

Well, you'll be fine for a while, no need to change immediately. You see, they will keep providing free updates for bugs and the like until V3 is released. After that, you can keep using V1 even if it's not going to receive further updates as far as I'm aware.

In my case I'm going to use until I can't anymore cause well, I already bought it XD and it'd be a waste. Besides, in the time this happens, I'm sure krita will be even better. So yeaaah, let's use the software until they kick us out

[conventurecomics]

As long as we can use version 1 with all features right now and it is forever. I'm ok with it. Hopfully CSPEX will still offer both one time purchace more expensive version 2 with all features, or a subscribtion version with update fees.

Let's hope CSPEX don't go the way adobe did the update and monthly fees would be way to expensive to continue to use CSPEX.

[XiuLyn_12]

Just when I was planning to get CSP
The lifetime purchase is already pricey in my currency. Do I just need to stick with medibang?

[Aleksei]

This is what I understand:

If you bought the perpetual license, you hace 1.x foreva! If you want 2.x or 3.x (whenever they launch) , your must a) buy an update subscription, that have a duration of a year, then expires and you go back to your previous owned perpetual licenced version, or b) buy another perpetual license for 2.x or 3.x.

Technically, 1.x is enough to do whatever you want, because Assets is still accesible with the perpetual license, so I try to don't worry... but I am mad in the ethical area, because I struggled to get enough money to buy the license, and now they announce that their biggest strenght against competition is gone! We are artist, we are poor -we don't have money for this kind of things, that's why piracy exist. The treason, man. The treason.

[toonben]

Thanks for the information. I can stick with V1 and it's all I need. I'm furious that you have to pay for updates. I understand making and updating the software costs money, but subscription is too unaffordable and there has to be a way. Also, I tried Krita and I have hard time using it because changing drawing software is too hard for me. Sketchbook seems good though.

I hope Clip Studio changes their mind which is possible but I don't know. I can send a feedback message to them and you can. But we can boycott the decision by not buying update pass and monthly plan to send a message and have them reevaluate. I don't know if it will work, but it's worth a shot and I plan to do that.

[Freemints30]

Honestly as long as version 1 works and gets bug fixes. Then not really.

Maybe since out of many programs I've used it's been the best so far and nothing can replace that. I plan to upgrade to ex for the animation tool

I do think the fear maybe a bit over blown.. okay very very overblown . I'll honestly say to wait a bit to get more news.

If version 2 is more a an early access to the newest version and version 3 is the final product for a one time purchase. Then I would have not as much issue with that. (Depending on how long the development is). I'm can wait for version 3

But it's pulls a star citizen version 2 subscription is the permanent model and final version is permanently (coming soon) i'll be very disappointed in clip paint.

I hope that is not the case and backlash makes sure of that