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Jun 2021

Haven't been on here much as I've made the leap over to Vella (will return here when I catch my breath) and so has @cherrystark.

there is ... weirdness there.

@cherrystark and I have been running an FB page for Pantsers nd Serializers (we prefer Serialists) and keeping track of some of the other pages.

these are the things we notice the most:

  1. Many of the writers plan on putting up 5 or 6 episodes of a story (or less) and if it doesn't fly (by that we surmise if it isn't an instant hit) they're pulling it and walking away.

  2. Many of them plan on pulling the finished story when it's done (20 to 40 episodes maybe) and turning it into a book.

  3. they are all obsessed with promotions like newsletters and offering "reader magnets" and starting group ads and clubhouses and a whole bunch of things that we just kind of... well... step away from the crazy people???

  4. Several of them plan on putting up 4 or 5 or more serials at the first, but are unsure how often to upload new chapters. (and we're thinking... burn out) (one had 10 books she thought she could start)

  5. Speculation pretty much runs rampant

  6. People who have never written a serial announce they're holding classes on how to succeed in vella and they're sure they have the "key"

  7. Original serialists that we saw there are rarely chiming in with comments because (we assume) they get run over by the people in #6 above.

In the meantime @cherrystark and I keep plodding along doing what we do. fortunately our page seems to have attracted a few people with experience and there are comments we'll see on other pages that leave us pretty much like this gif because sometimes it really seams like one hot mess over there:

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We've seen good things too but... sometimes we just..... mmmmmmmm

Kindle vella is amazon wanting a piece of the serial pie.

@jmccubbins It's Amazon's version of this type of platform.

Honestly, it's been crazy. I'm still excited to see what the future holds with Vella, but the people are insane.

  • Writers are allowed up to 5000 words which equates to about 50 tokens earned (or $2.5 USD). Instead of writing the number of words that best fits the requirement of the chapter, people are shaming (literal shaming) writers who want to exceed their self-imposed 1.5K word limit.

  • They pushed the word limit "rule" so much that some newer people to the communities didn't know we were allowed 5K words.

don't forget, I got banned on one of the paged because they couldn't take the truth about serialized work... and yeah, okay, I was pretty plain speak but I didn't swear and I didn't chew anyone out, I just said, look, here's how this goes.... and I got the boot. hahahahahaha

every now and then we "poke the bear" and say something (truthful) just to get a few folks riled up and then we sit back and buy popcorn futures

Thanks! I am optimistic but the people in the groups... I can't even. They are worried so much about multiple seasons that, it seems, they aren't focusing on trying to make their first series successful. I think it's smart to have a back up plan but if I've learned anything from Tapas is that it takes time to build an audience. With the way a few people have barked at me, it feels like if they aren't insta-sucessess after the first six weeks, they're done.

some of it has been. I'll message @cherrystark and say... just poked the bear. and it will be a subject that people discuss here and exchange ideas and talk about writing but... it seems like most of the people on the FB pages are like... business people. I look at their answers and I think... are you writers or Carnival barkers.

sometimes you get the feeling they'd willingly cut each other's noses off to be able to be first in line. it's kinda sad sometimes.

This is very true. Mostly when we do it it's to raise a point that they're bypassing and refuse to listen to no matter how many times we'll try to present it. The only way to get them to notice is to give them a poke. But then you have the people that reiterate old information insisting that these are the rules that have to be adhered to when most people know they're outdated.

On the fb page that @cherrystark and I run we do not talk about vella unless we have information in black and white from the amazon people. Otherwise we talk about doing serials, what it entails, we pass on articles etc. and we talk about pantsing. If someone asks a question about vella we refer them to other pages or amazon itself.

We're told our page is "drama" free because of this. We're very lucky.

actually... at this very moment we are both exchanging gifs of people beating theirs heads because of one woman's remarks.

now I'm curious to what you said to get that ban xD

Also i'm not sure if that kind of savage competition is for me.
Not like I could join in anyway as I'm not from the US.

A lot of romance novels. Like 90% of the people who ask to join our group are writing romance with a lot of fantasy/paranormal stuff. When it does open internationally, as long as you know how to write and post to a schedule (which you do) and can write a series longer than 80k words (again which I'm sure you can), you'll be just fine.

We're not sure. I'm pretty much a "plain speak" person. I can couch words to be all sweet and flowering but when I'm dealing with people who need to have the facts laid out for them, I get pretty straight forward and I don't hold back with the truth.

They're all adults there, they don't run the ages differences like they do here. I think it was the posting that this isn't a walk in the park, it does take a lot of work and that right now there were very few people who weren't actual serializers offering a lot of advice and they needed to pay attention to the people who where actually in the trenches and were willing to help as much as possible... and not the people who were doing nothing but speculating.

Unfortunately, I didn't realize I was dealing with a coven of Stepford suburbanite boss ladies and I got muzzled. After being let out of jail I found I couldn't remark on anything, let alone post anything without it being approved. I'm too freaking old to seek anyone's approval and unless you're my dad or one of my uncles... I'm not toeing any line.

and there you have it, plainly spoken without any grey lines

We're still not sure what set them off but

They've made a self-imposed word limit rule? WHY?!? And they're shaming people who don't adhere to it, even though the actual word limit is 5000?

Who pooped in the Weetbix of these women?

I seriously love it when you guys come share the crazy nonsense going on in Facebook-Vella-land. :rofl:

I'm on retreat on 5 acres with deer, I think the deer just scattered I'm howling with laughhter.... dang, girl, that was funny

Their thinking is that their best shot for readership is to stay around 1.5K words, for every chapter and if you go longer they'll get bored and too short, the readers will feel cheated. :confused: While there is a grain of salt to this idea, I love variety in my chapter lengths as a reader.

My favorite bits of "logic" circling these groups is to "load up" your first free chapters (which are free) to draw readers in and cut the word count in half for the rest of the series. (Think 3.5K to 1.5K words)

The other bit is that it's better to widdle down your word count to fit their guidelines and loose money instead of dividing the section into smaller chapters. These "edits" come after your regular editing. One newer writer had a 6k word chapter (yikes) and instead of just splitting it into smaller increments like a lot of writers here do, one lady (same lady who blocked @therosesword and I) encouraged the writer to scrap a good 75% of it to get it down to the "sweet spot".