Surprise LGBT characters

[AWFrasier]

Literally where did you get that from anything I wrote

[TAMAnnoying]

Because people complain about pandering And bad romance in all media including cis relationships?

[AWFrasier]

Yeah, and that one was complaining about pandering to women from most of the complaints I've seen. Since, you know, Romance is always for women.

So, that goes under the part I edited in later

** edit - or women, lol.

[KRWright]

Because people complain about pandering And bad romance in all media including cis relationships?

I didn’t see accusations of pandering with that ship. I saw accusations of it being shit. That’s different lol

[saintc]

Look, the Big Five jumped on Black Rep after seeing that "wow, people like buying diverse stuff"--- Children of Blood and Bone rode that wave: best seller, the author has a 6 figure deal etc.

Are people saying that companies shouldn't sell things that people want to buy? This will forever puzzle me.

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For instance people can cry about romance all they like, but unless you get people to read as quickly, and as viciously as women Romance will remain the number 1 literary industry with over a 1 Billion dollar profit. Someone personally not liking it does ziltch about its success.

[TAMAnnoying]

But people also would say the problem with some LGTB rep is shit Due to writing - do these people not count?

[AWFrasier]

Or what KR said.

[AWFrasier]

That's not what we're talking about when we're discussing 'pandering' is it though?

[saintc]

But people also would say the problem with some LGTB rep is shit Due to writing - do these people not count?

We can argue if things are shit or not, but whether we like something or not will not affect why the creators have made the choices that they have.

If your complaints don't match up to the money they make, you simply do not matter. (This is not trying to be rude. I 100% personally do not matter when it comes to certain video game genres. We have to realize that we're not the one and only consumers of things.)

[AWFrasier]

Look, the Big Five jumped on Black Rep after seeing that "wow, people like buying diverse stuff"--- Children of Blood and Bone rode that wave: best seller, the author has a 6 figure deal etc.

Are people saying that companies shouldn't sell things that people want to buy? This will forever puzzle me.

Honest to god, same.

For instance people can cry about romance all they like, but unless you get people to read as quickly, and as viciously as women Romance will remain the number 1 literary industry with over a 1 Billion dollar profit. Someone personally not liking it does ziltch about its success.

Boost. Boost. Boost.

[TAMAnnoying]

Alright so let me get this straight cause I’m genuinely curious. If someone is complaining about LGTB rep being back cause of the writing then it’s fair but if they’re complaining about it being pandering then it’s bad? I’d be ok with that depending on your definition of pandering cause >I< personally see pandering as “we’re putting this story line in here to get more clicks and haven’t really thought that hard about it.”

[IdiotWithPencil]

I was wondering when the pandering defenders people would get here

[saintc]

Oh, trust me. I'm always here. Until someone can give me a logical reason why it should not be done this will always be my stance.

[IdiotWithPencil]

We can argue if things are shit or not, but whether we like something or not will not affect why the creators have made the choices that they have.

If your complaints don't match up to the money they make, you simply do not matter. (This is not trying to be rude. I 100% personally do not matter when it comes to certain video game genres. We have to realize that we're not the one and only consumers of things.)

then we all agree that birds of prey is shit? and ethan van sciver and ya boi zack are right about the comic industry?

cause the numbers don't lie

[TAMAnnoying]

This is why defining our terms suddently comes important when we realize everyone has a different interpretation of a word x3

[saintc]

If someone is complaining about LGTB rep being back cause of the writing then it’s fair but if they’re complaining about it being pandering then it’s bad? I’d be ok with that depending on your definition of pandering cause >I< personally see pandering as “we’re putting this story line in here to get more clicks and haven’t really thought that hard about it.”

Oh no, you can complain. For me, I simply think if you're complaining about something where the target audience is not you, and where you hold no economic say, you just... don't matter.

People complain about say, romance.
Okay, do they read romance?
No?
So the writers have no reason to pander/appeal to you because they will lose people that actually buy their work. (Because that's what pander means, to appeal to an audience or person.)

[AWFrasier]

I don't have a definition of 'pandering'. I realise there's media that wasn't made intended for the demography I represent, so sometimes things might seem off to me. Does that mean it's pandering to another demographic? Probably. It also means, I'm not the demographic for it and the particular piece of media was trying to capture someone else.

Children's cartoons like Peppa Pig could be argued that it's pandering to small kids. Because the plots of each episode is very simple, the MC is a small kid too and there's certain episodes where her parents are being dumb adults.

Does that make Peppa Pig wrong for 'pandering' to small children? Should it try and be for everyone? Is it bad to go for certain demographics in general?

When is it marketing and knowing your audience, and when is it pandering?

The only times I see pandering being brought up is when something isn't specifically made for a white cis/het male audience. Then there's long rants on twitter about it pandering to the POC, the female or the queer audience.

“we’re putting this story line in here to get more clicks and haven’t really thought that hard about it.”

And this exact thing makes me think... How do you know that? How do you know the creators didn't think long and hard about it? Have you considered, you consider something as 'pandering' because you're not in the target audience?

[IdiotWithPencil]

This is why defining our terms suddently comes important when we realize everyone has a different interpretation of a word x3

yeah, I guess but I wished people would stop redefining words you can find in the dictionary, words have concrete meanings so we should use those meanings instead of trying to say my interpratation is just as valid as any other.

that's a quick way of going nowhere

[Random_Guy]

Alright, let me toss in my two cents.

This is often done because the author realized they should add an LGBTQA+ character to be "inclusive", but they don't seem to understand how to add a character like that without putting them in a relationship, so they just take an already existing character and... make them gay.

Easiest way to claim you're "inclusive" without putting any work in,

[IdiotWithPencil]

Oh no, you can complain. For me, I simply think if you're complaining about something where the target audience is not you, and where you hold no economic say, you just... don't matter.

what if I am the target audience? can I complain now?
I love fantasy and when they epic story changhes on a dime to romance can I complain that the story is now something else entirely?

or do I just have to leave cause the author is now "pandering" to another demographic that wan't the one who got him to where he is in the first place?

if so then what about it in reverse when a romance story changes to one of action? should the people who stayde from the start just leave and not care about the story anymore?