The Bitching thread 2.0

[dawgofdawgness]

Stellanova and woman of dust are great
And Your Worst Nightmare looks amazing so far, I’ll have to check out the others later ^_^

[GesuGesu]

The #visibleNB tag on twitter has some discourse on how "NB" is offensive to black people, so even though I finally found a twitter artist tag that matches me since #visiblewomen or #visibleblack etc didn't work, I don't want any part of it. I don't want these kinds of people to find me as an artist.

I'm also confused since some of the posts have both #visiblewomen AND #visibleNB. So they identify as a woman? But also identify as nonbinary? If you're non-binary it means you don't identify as either female or male, so that makes no sense! >:0

It's like it's impossible to be nonbinary / genderqueer without meeting SJWs who gotta make life harder to exist as actually nonbinary.

[joannekwan]

Wh-what? How is NB offensive to black people?

Unless people mistake it for standing for "not black"??

[sprakdesigns]

I can't speak for everyone- but I know a few afab folks, who may not fully identity as women, who still participate in #visiblewomen or other similar things. The people I know are artists/animators in a male-dominated industry so to them I think it's still important to showcase their work in how they've had to present themselves in a professional setting (usually just as their assigned birth). I'm non-binary, and don't participate in any of these tags, but I can understand still wanting to participate as an afab individual just to showcase some kickass individuals that aren't the norm in these fields.

[Chopythes]

I'm too asking, how it's offensice to black people?
I've never heard it before D:

I think most people add the #visiblewoman toghether with the NB-tag because visiblewoman and NB takes place the same day as it seems.
So NB-people (me included) feels like we're not seen at all as we don't fit into the women category.

I'm not gonna speak for everyone, but you can be NB and lean towards female identity.

Tho... I do believe they use both tags to get the best visibility as visiblewomen are exposed more than visibleNB.

It's just my 2 cents, but I could be wrong too!

[punkarsenic]

I'm also confused since some of the posts have both #visiblewomen AND #visibleNB. So they identify as a woman? But also identify as nonbinary? If you're non-binary it means you don't identify as either female or male, so that makes no sense! >:0

actually, nonbinary can also be defined as "not 100% male or female", so bigender people who are male and female are nonbinary, some genderfluid people align themselves with womanhood, some agender people define themselves as genderless women. theres lots of different ways to align yourself with womanhood while still being nonbinary, gender is complex

[punkarsenic]

exactly one week until the uk slam :U im so nervous

[joe_galindez]

This is what gets to me about this community. It's full of sensitive people who would rather flag things from the safety of anonymity rather than do something positive and explain exactly what offended them.

Did my post poke fun at anything but the most superficial of features? Did it belittle or dehumanize? Did it do anything to suggest that a certain group was anything less than a worthy collection of human beings?

People are deserving of respect. But they are also not perfect. To declare that any group is off-limits from parody, satire, or low humor is to objectify them hideously, because to make people sacred is to ignore their complexity as human beings and reduce them to mere things to be coddled.

Shame. Shame! Would that you never laugh at anybody ever again, not even your own selves, or else you shall be forced to plant the flag in the middle of your own back.

[ISNEKO]

implying anyone has a sense of humor

You poor damn fool. There aren't enough taped together mile long sticks to touch any subject these days.

[SoFt]

There aren't enough taped together mile long sticks to touch any subject these days.

While I found @joe_galindez's rant quite impressive, this statement doesn't hold up. There'd be no working comedians these days if this statement were true. Sure, people go after them, but they're still tellin' jokes and they're still gettin' paid. And I think one thing any working comedian will tell you is to know your audience.

[ISNEKO]

I think I might have only been thinking about Twitter when I typed that.

[SoFt]

Ah, I getcha. It still applies there, I think, but I sense that a master class on comedy is far from the point of this dialogue xD .

...Also, I'm not qualified to give a master class on comedy >_> .

[Aspie_Gamer]

Sees @joe_galindez off color, but still pretty funny joke get flagged.

Really people of Tapas Forums?

This isn't Tumblr. The greater Internet is not your safe space.

Seriously, there was nothing racist about his joke about black women being hard to see in the dark. That goes for anyone with naturally dark skin pigmentation.

But of course, the usual suspects around these parts (and you know who you are) went and put a ka-bosh on what was a harmless joke because as bigots, they can't tolerate jokes other people make because they didn't make them or because they didn't find it funny.

Boo hoo. It's not for any of you sensitive types to decide what's right and what's "wrong" around here

Had he been actually saying something genuinely racist, I would've flagged his comment in a heartbeat, but because he wasn't being such with his joke, this asinine "wrong think" dog piling he suffered is no different than me recieving undue flak over not being that enthusiastic to see Black Panther because of all the progressive shilling being done to that film (which turned out to be an okay Marvel movie btw).

Me and Joe may not see eye to eye, but I will defend his right to make off color jokes. The man's entitled to free speech after all.

[SoFt]

How many people have to flag a post before it's hidden?

[joe_galindez]

We still got stuff to talk about, @Aspie_Gamer, but I appreciate the support on this one.

How many people have to flag a post before it's hidden?

As far as I can tell it's at the discretion of the mods.

[Aspie_Gamer]

Quite a lot of people I think would have to flag it before it's hidden me thinks.

[SoFt]

What's bothering me is that neither of you seem to know. Maybe one person flagged it, drawing the mods' attention and moving them to hide it. Maybe nobody flagged it, but the mods saw it and hid it. Maybe 50 people saw it and flagged it, drawing the mods' attention and moving them to hide it.

We don't know 'cause we can't see the man behind the curtain. What I'm not seeing any dogpiling. The only posts on that post (heh) have been in defense of it aside from mine, which was simply a suggestion that this might not be the right audience for such a post. It's making the defenders look like the ones who are over-sensitive . I don't reckon that's what y'all want.

If what you do want is to complain about PC culture, by all means. I imagine this would be the place for that.

[joe_galindez]

I was being petty one time and throwing flags everywhere. A mod told me, "Stop. I know it's you. Don't make my job any harder. I hide all posts manually." I don't know if that means they could actually identify who flags things, or if I was simply being obvious.

[SoFt]

Interesting. If that's true, then we at least know that is not the flagging of a post, but the action of a mod that results in the hiding. We can also surmise that it only takes one flag to draw their attention. One would imagine, though, that they could choose not to act on the request. Perhaps there's a "better safe than sorry" mentality afoot. I tend to live by that motto myself .

I do imagine that they can see who it is that places a flag. Mods on a forum usually have the ability to see extra bits of information like that.

[LordVincent]

When you flag a post, it becomes a private message to the moderator team.

They can see the specific individual(s) that made the flags.

A post is automatically hidden after a certain amount of flags. How many I am unsure of but it seems to be around 3-5. It's at least more than 1-2.

I did not flag Joe's original post (as I feel someone attempted to imply.). I only ever skim read this thread since it is too full of negativity for my taste and I have better shit to do. I found Joe's joke to be unfunny firsthand and rather tasteless secondly, but didn't find it to be ill-intentioned enough to flag.

I do flag posts that are very hateful, ill intentioned, or are blatantly trying to pick a fight.

Freedom of speech is primarily a regulation that was created with publication in mind and what that means is that any publication site, company, or site owner, have the full right (and with certain hate crime laws and other privacy laws in mind they also have the responsibility and obligation) to hide any material they find unsuitable. That is part of what freedom of speech is about on a legal level.

Also, this put aside: Freedom of speech may mean you have the right to say almost whatever you want, but it also means people around you have the full right to say "wow, you're a jerk, piss off"