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Aug 2017

The reason they fish for popular creators is because they bring in a new audience.

You may think it goes "they only come here for that novel"

But in my experience this is very false. I know readers of my comics have migrated from webtoons and smackjeeves to tapas, and then ended up discovering new comics on tapas and engaging with the community.
I think that's essential, btw. The community. Tons of people come here for a comic they like and stay for the community. Then they get interested in other comics along the way.

Basically, what I'm saying is don't lose motivation over this. Quite opposite, you should be excited about it, because it means there's a larger pool of people that your comic can have a chance at.

Thanks for responding to me!

Tbh, I don't know how comics work, but as for stories, I guess I can't really believe that. However, I'll wait and see.

I guess you could see the "losing motivation" in my post. I get the business side by looking for "popular creators," but it bothers me when a website doesn't try to improve their platform for their loyal users. I'm new here, so I don't know much, but so far, this place isn't run much different from Wattpad.

The site does have their loyal users in mind, that's kinda what i'm saying ^_^ thing is: without site traffic, the small users suffer too. Tapas can't spotlight every creator that thinks they deserve it, that's impossible and it would ruin the effect a spotlight has in the first place. Therefore, a lot of marketing strategies will be reserved for popular stories in order to attract new readers, which are beneficial for the site at large and raise reader amount for small users too.

The one thing i'd like to see is a thumbnail scroll from the fresh section on the front page. I get that they're trying to avoid stolen comics or porn that has yet to be taken down finding its way to the front page, but i feel that the exposure it would give to small creators is definitely worth the risk.

Especially now that the algorithm has been changed in the popular section to benefit premium content. I definitely understand why they do this; premium content often updates weekly meaning they would be put at a disadvantage when battling in a category that benefits comics that update daily. A disadvantage that would be financially bad, since premium comics are a huge income source both for creators and (if what i heard from GoldenPlume i think it was is correct) the site at large. I agree with their choice, but i would like to see the fresh section being better represented to weigh it up a bit for non premium creators.

Thanks for the information!

Since I'm new here, I can't say much; I can only comment on what I've seen. However, I don't have much faith this site will be any better, but we'll see. I've gotten some good info from you and GoldenPlume, so I'll rest this topic for now. All I can do is see what happens.

The day I get a spot light a hah hah hah hah HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!

But a more serious note, the ideas you present really sound swell but they would have to higher more staff and or I don't really understand the whole popularity thing to be honest. There would be some kind of weird debate on who gets featured and even though the story is really pretty and not so many pages but man oh man it's amazing! but the pages are short and there's not enough for me to digest ( this is one thing I will never accept when reading or watching anything, BINGEING) it kind of feels like you won't get noticed because you don't have that said amount of content of say someone who has 26q73w4etsyht4237645371734 episodes. When I first signed up here, I did in hopes of hey! my comic is in color! AND ITS COOL! and maybe people will like it? maybe I will get featured? But that is totally the wrong way to think about it. I mean phhfff yeah that would be awesome to be featured on there...uhh... (snacks) or front page featured. Point is it really does suck and I agree. Just draw the comic for you, not for anyone else. And people will love it! If they don't that's there loss. I don't want to sound mean or anything but you gotta do this because you love to do this, stop worrying about the numbers kid, the stars are your goal. Yah know what I mean? and besides when you are finally noticed it will be worth all of it. Aim for the stars but don't fall. Create your dream.

I get the same comment that my comic, taking a long time to make because of school, that I should get more subs. But because of the amount of time it takes to make an issue, I'm unable to update on a basis of any kind. Thus I lose the ability to gain subs at a rate I wish to have. But because of my desire to gain more subs, I often find myself using other tactics to gain subs, which work in the short run, but not really as the view count on some comics strangely stay consistent through each month. With the exception of the more serious comics.

For example, My Darkling, although not updating for 4 months, still gets an average of 200 views each month.
But this could be because each issue of the series is just a short panel, making it easily digestible. And because of its cute/creepy aesthetics, it can draw readers to come back to read and share amongst other readers.
If you're curious, you can take a look here.

Action comics on the other hand, have the opposite effect, as viewership will go down the less you update, but stay consistent as long as you update on a basis. With the exception for that one moment when someone popular shares your comic on the basis for that one shocking tweet, but the people looking a the comic will leave after seeing the spectacle.
It plagues me that this page has the highest view count of the series of around 1.9k whereas the average view count of the other is 250 (0.25k) views on the promise of man nipples.

But all in all, I feel like I need to work on my marketing abilities and try to find a way to streamline my work in order to keep my subs and views, as well as engage readers to sub to want more of what I got.

1 month later

Yeah, I've noticed that the progression on my series is basically zero. It's not like Webtoon, where each time I post something I'll slowly gain 5-10 subs, and get a bit more views each time. There, I actually see IMPROVEMENT each time I upload something, because there´s always people on the Discover section. Here on Tapas, no matter how many or how frequently I upload episodes, I will get similar amount of views (or less) and, therefore, no subs, which then again translates into no views; like a vicious cycle.

Where am I going with this? I think that the most popular comics that are on the main page plus the daily snack all cover the "entertainment needs" of the readers; when they finish reading the popular ones, they don't feel the need for more. On Webtoon, people read the daily features (maybe up to 10-15 series of different categories) and then some go on Discover, probably because their demand for entertainment hasn't been fully fulfilled.

To summarize, Tapas should change the structure of the site so that there's a more clear "Discover" section in addition to maybe lowering the amount of space and quantity that the popular series take up. That way, more people would be drawn to the Discover section and smaller creators would get their stuff viewed more often.

That's it, thanks for reading :slight_smile:

8 days later

I think Tapas should have some sort of "relevance system," in which, after reading a certain amount of comic/novel chapters, a recommended list appears which showcases other series of similar genre to the one the reader is currently engaged in or what fellow readers tend to read along with that said series. Think of it like an "other users also read blah blah..." kind of system where the site recommends other (hopefully lesser known but otherwise great) content based on the taste compatibility of the audience.

Another option would also be a "surprise me" button which randomly selects a series out of the current tapas database in which gives higher chances of showcasing a lesser known series that has potential, momentum, or compatibility to the certain audience's taste in genre and style.

All in all, I think that the creators are responsible for promoting their own works but the site's aid and assistance are definitely welcome to have anytime. Let's all work hard everyone and continue helping each other out.

I would love if there was a group of people who went through works with less than like 50-100 subscribers and just picked out the best (or best 5) and posted them up weekly or something like that.

I would love some kind of Daily Snack for comics with a certain number of episodes and a small number of subscribers. Example would be more than 10/20 pages and subs less than 300. This is just an example, but some kind of math to ensure the lesser known comics get more coverage.

what if Tapas had a section just for completed comics and novels? so that new and ongoing comics could have some time in the popular or trending section. idk there could be too much room for error like that

13 days later

I was actually thinking that too!
It’s also great when you just want to bringe read a story, especially since webcomics tend to be “neverending”, whether they’re ongoing or just dropped midway

Maybe something along the line of Staff's favourites. This list would include new favourites Staff have personally found and liked that week. So it would change every week.
If this is too much work for staff maybe there should be weekly nominations for favourites that aren't already popular.

That seems a bit similar to the Daily Snacks?

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but what if Tapas had a blast-from-the-past kind of section? It would show what was hot a certain number of years or months ago, while exclusing titles that are still ongoing.

As a reader and an artist it kinda sucks that finding less known comics actually takes a lot of effort. The Trending section on the front page is something I check often, but now that's on the bottom of the page again. The Popular section is probably great for attracting new visitors but for regulars it's kinda boring to keep running into the same comics over and over again.

I personally like the idea of a recommended comics based on what the user has liked or read. That would make it easier to find something completely new and but also interesting. A chosen list of recommendations is also nice but it's more limiting than algorithm based recommendations.

I think it would also be a good idea to have a list of just updated comics/novels next to the popular and trending sections. At least that list would be constantly changing, so even if someone couldn't get to trending or popular they'd still have a change to get noticed.

I was thinking in these lines too, @joe_galindez mentioned.

I know the tapas staff can't hand-pick each curator-comic, but what about a random list? up to 10 completely random comics/novels can be displayed on front page, either completely mixed or by Genre? =) This should technically be possible <3

They won't do completely random because of the risk of bots or porn comics appearing on the front page.

Personally I wonder if there's some way us users could help whoever it is that picks for Daily Snack. They're often fit into a theme, so maybe a thread that's "Rec us comics that have MICE" and then the mice fans toss in a link so they're not scrounging for themes?

But then there might be a fierce temptation for a bunch of mice to appear in everyone's latest update :wink:

12 days later

Hurray- people like yourself are exactly what we need! I was thinking there just wasn't an audience for long-form comics here.. prove a point that there is- it's just they aren't seen amongst a mass of one-panel, joke a day types.

1 month later

A computer can't reliably choose high-quality comics and novels; there's far too many interlacing factors that make a series "good" to the audience.
I have a hint of doubt that even human curators truly know what a "good" series is (then again, maybe i'm just being pessimistic.)