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Mar 2020

So it's a matter of contention seen time and time again brought up on the forums, particularly whenever Tapas rolls around a new update.

As a creator that's been using Tapas/Tapastic since 2015, I've seen a LOT of changes. Though I will admit I wasn't around from its wee years when it was just starting, I've still experienced very much of its growth from the launch of its app, to starting the novels section, to acquiring international titles and offering premium content, to the support program that eventually evolved into ink, and all the fiascoes and meltdowns in between.

The following will just be my own personal observations and thoughts, feel free to opine your own and discuss below!

Okay. I'll play a bit of devil's advocate: I believe that the support for the visibility of smaller creators is not as cut and dry or easily remedied by simply showcasing more titles.

Yes. It was much easier to get featured and grow an audience years ago, but that was because there was simply less competition and a smaller pool of work to promote. With any platform's growth, the content library will experience large influxes that will inevitably bury some titles, particularly those that don't update on the regular. Like I remember a time when my two top series would regularly land in popular when they updated. But time moves on, new creators come with the hot content, I rarely scrape what was the second page of popular now with my series even with what many people here might think is a sizable audience. Vying for attention in the creative world is fuckin' tough.

Back in the day, it was also much easier for community projects to take hold, for example the Winter Fest of 2015. It is also of note this community collab was spearheaded and organized by experienced and very involved comic creators, like Potoo Gryphon of Oops Comic Adventure. Unfortunately life does get in the way or things change, and a lot of the involved creators like her have had to move on, go on hiatus, or spend less time on the site overall. A community is only as strong as the ones who lead it, and it's really a labor of love built on the backs of volunteers. While the staff can certainly be a part of it, their priority isn't leading. They can't be around every day to lead discussion or events, they have jobs to do and families to support.

With a bigger site comes bigger responsibilities. As the Tapas staff has remained relatively small since 2015, I believe they are often stretched thin and don't have a dedicated team to finding new hidden gems or cool rocks. As Michael explained in the pinned thread, there are over 70,000 stories on the Tapas platform. An equal algorithm to showcase each one would be ineffective without weeding out the series that have been abandoned or are non-series like galleries. There has to be smarter algorithms or a human approach, like the New and Noteworthy/Staff Picks section. And let's face it, and I may get some flak here but—there should be some standard as to what gets featured or put into one of those lists. We can't have "Sanic" or "Sonichu" levels of stories to represent the site. No one will take it seriously. I'll just quote what Michael had to say here.

From my own experience, even landing a front page feature is not going to be a divine boost for your series. After years of plodding along with only two daily snack features for my part in the Winter Fest collabs and one daily snack for my third series, my audience was built mostly from natural growth and promotion outside of Tapas. Only in 2019 did I have a creator spotlight, but I did not see a significant increase in numbers from that. Full disclosure, I produced a game with Tapas' help and a third-party-developer, and the creator feature was in part to promote that, but even so I have not seen the numbers of the top earners on this platform and I doubt I ever will. And I don't believe that is from a lack of exposure, I believe it is mostly dictated by audience whims. I just don't think I would ever be that popular with my art. (speaking of audience whims, I've been uploading my completed series Demon House to WT once a week in multi-page uploads since Feb 10, and have only accrued 88 subs).

Ah, premium stories. You know what was dominating the front pages before these came along? The same popular comics week to week like A Matter of Life and Death and I hate you, and they were there because the audience voted with their engagement. No shade to their creators, the audience wants what it wants (though to note I haven't seen those around as much as they aren't updating as regularly as they used to). Anyway, what I'm trying to say is yes, premium titles do take up a lot of real estate on the front page, and I def understand that it's important for Tapas to promote them to keep the lights on and investor interest, but even if they weren't there, some other popular free to read series would take their place. And it's likely people would still argue for more visibility for their stories.

And let's not forget, some of the premium creators were born from our community pool! And as regular users keep voicing for visibility, I believe it's also creating a divide between them and premium creators. I know a few community creators who have gone premium and who now post less frequently on the forums here. Of course I assume they are busy with work, but I can't help but wonder if the general sentiment put them off as well. I can only infer, and cannot speak on their behalf.

Now as for the new site design, I think it impacts visibility in these ways (BUGS ASIDE that I know they're looking into and working on, like stuff not appearing in fresh or the entire collection of their respective genre.)

NAVIGABILITY: This new way of navigating series and reading (and not having a dark mode) will most certainly impact some readers and deter them from finding more things to read. It's a pretty big turn off. Myself included. I hate the redesign lol (some parts are good tho! like sorting between premium and free to read, the font options for novel reading, the collapsable comments).

Browsing novels: Having it as one scrolling list can deter people from continuing to scroll down. People's attention spans are short. I liked the tiled look from before, kind of like how the comics are now. If the series descriptions are necessary, perhaps when hovering over a thumbnail their the description can pop up?

But the rest I can't say for sure until the bugs have been sorted out. That's all that I can dare to predict. It's still a bit early to determine how this redesign will impact numbers

Was Tapas perfect before the redesign? Certainly not. They have and still do deserve criticism with how some things are managed and done without creator input until after the fact. But there are definitely areas where Tapas' hands are tied. They cannot wave a magic wand and give everyone the numbers they want. There is no sacrifice available to give all 70,000 titles on the site the attention they may (or may not) deserve.

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To be honest this sums up a lot of my feelings. This seems to be an issue I see with many growing or fully established platforms. There are real issues, don't get me wrong, but it's very easy for creators to not get the traction they hope for or expect and immediately correlate that to recent updates/changes, some kind of algorithm that's working against them, or in rare instances I've seen people claim the developers had a direct vendetta against them.

Instead of, you know, assessing their own work and having an honest discussion on whether or not their work would be viable in this market. I'm specifically talking about the "Sanic" kind of artists. No shade on artists who are struggling to get their work out there, I've been there too, but it's hard to ignore all the people I see upset that the site makes it "hard" for their work to be noticed when frankly it doesn't look like something the market would be interested in noticing in the first place.

Basically there's a lot of nuanced reasons why a comic may not get noticed. It may have absolutely nothing to do with the quality at all but out of sheer bad luck you just don't get noticed. People very quickly ignore how difficult and long of a process gaining a following is, even with luck on your side. The specific kind of people I'm referring to see the big popular comics or the premium stuff and make snap judgements on those artists and their work viewing it as inferior to their own or undeserving compared to their own work because they just assume no love went into those premium comics. I've seen shit like that a lot on here and it's a bad salty look to have.

Yeah, gaining visibility is more about putting in the due diligence of getting your work out there. Multiple platforms is a necessity. Or you get lucky.

Either way, there's going to be a vast chunk of time where results seem non-existent. Blaming a hosting site or an algorithm is pointless in my opinion. Just gotta keep grinding.

Currently, since I've been on the mends with my arms, my comic has been moving slowly...but I've never been one to think that my comic would explode with likes/subscriptions- and when it has at various times, I've been rather surprised about it as how the superhero type genre has never been widely popularized or embraced on Tapas in the time that I've been here.

Even though I've chosen to work within a genre that isnt largely popular, I stick with it because that's what I like. It would be the worst choice to chase other type genres in pursuit of popularity; I do get nice feedback from the readers that I do have so I'm content with chugging along, picking up readers at the pace that I'm going. I dont want readers that hang around coz the comic is popular at the moment- then leave when the story isnt going the way they imagined or wanted it to go; I want long time readers who are there till the end, and then may read another project that I do afterwards...

ok, i'll admit, im one to think ill of the devs (honestly, i lived my whole life being cucked by false promises so...) but i wouldnt go on to say that Premium comics are soulless, no, i can see the creators being just as passionate about their work as we are with ours.

But even well established comic authors (and premium authors) saw the visibility dip for the FtR comics with each update... tbh i dont care anymore. i'm only going to care about the readers i do have

Yeah, one thing I had to get used to after getting staff picked is having the purge of subs afterwards who drop you once you're off staff picks. When it happened the first time I kept thinking it was something we did wrong. Our comic has been picked two more times since then though so we've gotten used to it. Currently going through another drop of subs right now, but it doesn't bother me near as much because the active people commenting and actively theorizing make it worth it.

I definitely don't have as much issue with the devs and I think while it's perfectly find to criticize them I feel like people give them too much flack, but yeah it's the people I see who decide to target and belittle other comics out of jealousy that irritates me so much. It might be that I had someone like that being horrible and belittling to me on Amino - I mean it's Amino, go fig I guess - when I was at only 600 subs. Long story short they actually admitted to me of their jealousy being the reason they were telling me that my comic was uninteresting and made no sense rather than it being real criticism and was an attempt to try and "get back" at me for giving them criticism they asked for.... but now I'm going on a tangent lol

It's not a great feeling to feel like you're being shunned for no other reason than someone thinks you're popular. Makes it even worse when you're really not lol

I wonder if it's not just the natural stagnation of a series. Like even Harry Potter's reached a saturation point and would very unlikely see an explosion of growth even if it was rebooted somehow for the next generation.
Unless we are given metrics for the entire site, it's hard to make the claim concrete. But it certainly isn't to be discredited either.

Yeh, that's why I say there's a lot of nuance that goes into why a comic doesn't get popular. Or in this case might stagnate. It's not very wise to forget that correlation isn't causation just because it's your own work that you're proud of. I'm proud of my work and think it's worthy of being well known and popular but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

I'm a relatively small author and I just feel like I've burned out a lot of the time and my flames need reigniting to train myself more.

Sure, after 3 years, I've improved a lot...but right now? I feel so discouraged to post any art on Tapas. This new design isn't helping, but really...I just want people to see I exist. Even if I just have a small handful. I've tried advertising on Twitter, Deviantart, you name it.

I just feel so lonely almost. I can't describe my feelings towards this. It's almost like the website is against me. I know my art isn't super good or anything, but I'm not horrible at it.

I've thought of ways to get more things done, but...I dunno.

I agree with everything you've put here! But one thing I want to definitely boost is:

It's ironic that readers have supported me often 10x more than other creators have on Tapas when it comes to success with Premium. I rarely get any readers complaining about works going Premium, or Premium works being highlighted to them, but I've had fellow creators tell me I don't belong on the forums as a Premium author or that my works shouldn't be promoted. So like... this. I post free-to-read works as well, and work damn hard, and Tapas was my break-out site where I built my primary audience from 0 and didn't pull them from somewhere else... So ... I do love Tapas. I regularly boost new creators to the platform and try to share the love and success around as much as I possibly can, but I also often feel pressure to qualify my place in spaces here because apparently going 'Premium' meant that I'm no longer allowed to have an opinion - even when it affects F2R/UI/etc.

When it comes to the new UI and visibility, I found things are down across the board right now - but this make change once readers have got used to the new site. I'm going to wait a few weeks and make a real judgement about visibility.

You belong here. Don't let anyone tell you any different just because you have a premium comic. I absolutely can't stand this mentality of not being welcomed based on your level of popularity. The forums are for all tapas users. It'd be one thing if you were going around rubbing it in people's noses but I haven't seen anything like that from you.

I think some people just see even mentioning Premium, or mentioning things like sub counts as 'rubbing it in', when usually I'm just using it to qualify what I'm saying. It's definitely never my intention, but I can't control how people read my tone?

But thank you for the rest of it :slight_smile:

I feel that. I mentioned earlier how I had someone who admitted jealousy in my comic and so called "popularity" (600 is certainly not popular and we're not even at 2k subs yet which is when I plan to try and pitch my own comic for premium).
They were being demeaning to me and my work and I had the gall to tell them in response "hey it's okay if you don't like the comic because 600 other people seem to like it just fine" and that was me "rubbing it in" when it was in response to them giving nonconstructive criticism that they later admitted to being false just to try and get at me.

So I definitely understand where you're coming from. I'm sure there might be some people who think I'm going to brag or rub it in when I say what my sub count is currently at but like... just cause you think that's popular doesn't mean it actually is lol

This. The struggle of getting to a relative 'mid-tier' as well is very real. Too popular for sympathy or being a hidden gem, too small to actually reap the benefits of being at the top of everything and pulling engagement constantly. Everything becomes a grind at that point haha

Haha I feel this so hard being in the mid-tier!

Especially when it comes to the 'recommend such and such' threads. And everyone lists really small titles, or extremely popular ones. And I'm here holding on to a shred of hope that someone would recommend mine too. I've had a couple instances where people have linked my series, and I LOVE them for that, but it's disappointing when it's just a very small percentage of the time.

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We all hope for the day someone takes time out of their schedule to try and get other people to look at what you've made. It's such a nice feeling.

This can't be understated. The most successful artists on the site are often highly active in communities outside of Tapas, produce quality work and understand their audience. A Tapas feature can only do so much, or can, in some cases, actually backfire.

I remember quite vividly that my old comic was featured once or twice in the daily snack or 'New and Noteworthy', and while the bump was nice, it was often followed with by weeks of loosing subscribers that realized they were actually not as interested as they thought.

Nowadays I put the blame on this myself - If I had created a better product, they may have stayed. It's not Tapas' fault that I was growing slowly, nor the readers - they all gave me chances. It was my own lack as a creator.

It is very disheartening to see other creators regularly post "I will never pay for premium because I like none of them." while some of the same creators supported my previous work that was provided for free.

Since my community isn't outright supportive, I have built somewhat close relationships (As close as they can be online) with other premium creators instead.

Others I try to follow, pay for their content and leave a comment whenever I can. So many of us are female comic creators who would have no chance in the traditional comic industry. Webcomics, and with that Tapas, have provided us with an outlet instead.

When other users and readers complain about the fact that our comics are hidden behind a paywall I would like to refer to the high workload premium creators put onto themselves. A full chapter on a weekly or biweekly upload schedule, and that for months or years. If you're not a highly successful creator, the pay you will receive from people buying your comic is also something I would consider peanuts, and I can make what my comic pays me here in a month just in a few hours worth of freelance work. Yet I'm still here (you may call me an idiot).

So if you see a premium comic with a high subscriber count, feel free to take a look at the actual views on their more recent episodes and then feel free to do the math on what that may turn into. Views are generally higher than the number of 'unlocks' a comic receives, so you can reduce the number by about 20%. Then remember the fees and Tapas shares and suddenly you realize that your comic with a few hundred subscribers may actually outperform many premium comics regularly and you made more money than the artist on your weekend job.

You are an insanely successful artist with readers who have been with you for years. You wouldn't be as successful as you are if nobody would share your work online - even if you don't see it in the forums! It's really easy to forget, but here you go: You're awesome!

i know the feel, i'm also struggling with this but its more i plan to network and imy mind goes blank and i don't know where to look

I don't mind super much about visibility of Premium vs non-Premium, but I mind a lot about the (non)-visibility issue due to the horrid search and debatable sorting options.
This is really problematic for me as a reader, so I imagine that does not help my comic to be seen either.

Just now, I checked the app and the mobile site (I can't check the full site right now); and could not read a few comic/novels I wanted to read. Why? The "fresh" section of the corresponding categories is limited to the 20-30 last works updated (or maybe corresponding to a small timeframe?), with no way to go back to works updated just a little before. So, if I don't read every day... well, all these stories are not read, liked or commented on by me. I can't remember all titles and search them individually. Subscribing to everything is not possible (too many notifications), and there is not 'read later' list.
In the end, I read considerably less things on Tapas simply because I can't find them. At least before, the issue was only with the app. Now... well, for now the mobile website is as bad.