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Mar 2020

Y’all sound like your purposefully talking past each other. Listen

Getting a feature dosn’t mean you’ve made it
No shit, Any non delusional creator knows that a feature isn’t going to mean shit unless they keep advancing and keep up the wrath ethic that got them that feature in the first place- but please don’t deny that getting featured or getting into the the noteworthy comics selection, didn’t help with sub count. It dose. And yes maybe after a week of being featured you loose half of the subs that you gained from it cause that’s just how readership works around here. But you know what? You still got that other half, and those people who unsubed? Well they still read it and still gave out likes till they stopped. This still helps with numbers and stats.

Now all this is irrelevant to the most important part which is the >psychological< part which is simply people like seeing there sub count go up which is why it’s incredibly disheartening when someone used to care about getting that one new subscriber and change into “oh look I only got 100 subs this week, damn.” It kind of starts to feel like you’re becoming one of >those< creators.

Now It’s impossible not to get to that point cause the number game is always going to effect us but this is why we always try it humble ourselves with that thought possess starts happening.

tapas owes us nothing
Yes exacly that’s why it’s nice to have a community that supports each other rather then continues to make walls

luck isn’t a factor
This is completely nonsensical, if you’ve ever thought back in time of how you got to the potion that your in you can bet theirs gonna be sevral coincidence of people just “because I did this today.”

No, I don’t think you should rely on luck but if you actually read about “successful” people and talk to some other big sub count creators- some of them would tell you “yeah it was supposed to be a fun side thing and then it got big over night so I guess I’m doing this now.”

Right place right time is a thing and I’d never say the most of the people who “made it big” didn’t deserve it. I’d say they’re one of the many people who exisit who DO deserve it who got lucky enough to get picked out. Cause the thing is there’s so much saturation of creators and ALLWAYs will be that there will always me MORE people who deserve recognition then the people who don’t. And A lot of these people don’t get recognized till AFTER they die >usually< cause someone wants to cash in on their death. Cause that’s always fun to wake up to on a news article

Can we all just agree that everyone has a giant wall they have to beat there heads against till it works out? And I’ve never said anything bad about people cause of sub count- that’s a dumb fuckinh reason to dislike someone, but just like you guys feel unwelcome when people talk about “the big guys” people arnt gonna feel too good about you when you pay their heads and say “oh child your precious feature won’t matter so stop worrying about it.” Like, hello I thought you where the ones who said to work hard and always think about promoting yourselves but now your like “oh not stop worng about tapas lolz”

And no I understand that’s not what your trying to say but text isn’t exactly the best format to read people and people will read what they think your trying to imply if your not clear enough.

Oh, frick, I remember that. XD That is a great example of things going south...

Until I come onto the forums and get involved with conversations like this - I don’t think of myself as successful. I think of myself as a creator who has had successes. And that can be true of a creator of any size. I don’t to around my day-to-day life being like “oh I’m successful”. I’m constantly working on self-improvement, tweaking marketing, working on my next projects, giving back to the community, etc etc. It’s all hustle, same as it was originally when I started and had 3 subs.

So yeah... when I’m working 30-50 hours on my platform in various ways as well as having a day job? I just don’t have time to do much more. If a space feels like I’m not welcome, I’ll leave and take whatever I could have brought to that space with me. I’ve found some great and supportive discord communities where we all build each other up (from those with 0 subs to those with 1000s) and it’s just a different experience.

Did it really get "misunderstood" though?

The first one started out saying we should all be reading Premium comics, and learning from them, if we wanted to be "successful". You revised the statement, through revision, to adjust the dialog so good on you but that's not really a misunderstanding.

If folks want to avoid dissenting discourse because it makes them feel "unwelcome" then that's a choice. But that's inherently the point of a public forum ... It is public and open to all opinions under the rules it is run by.

If a curated Discord is a better fit for you, good on you.

Not sure pointing out all the things you could of "brought" with you to the forums is a good look though. It implies a lot of things... even if that isn't your intention.:grin:

Er... it implies a lot of true things. Maybe things folks didn't wish were true.

I'll tell you what, being in a creative avenue is about 60% making the right connections and knowing how to utilize a platform.

People doing MFAs (Masters of fine arts) aren't doing it for the degree itself---they're doing it to network, find the connections they need when they get into the industry. (I'm speaking as someone who did a BA (Business Economics and Creative Writing) and is currently pursuing a MFA.)

Yeah, I'm going to be that person that points out that the "People like me 100% because of my talent, and my talent is enough to get me where I need to be" is... a myth.

Burning bridges does matter in this avenue, and maybe we all wish it didn't but yeah... it is what it is.

I literally run a storytelling craft thread on these forums as well as taking part in various discord. I resent you trying to paint this picture of me as some holier-than-thou person above everyone else.

And I do believe I bring something to the table. Doesn’t everyone bring something? That’s why the thread I run is based around sharing craft ideas and different approaches with each other... it’s literally based around discussion and different approaches...

(I know there’s like a serious discussion thing happening but...could you point me the direction of that storytelling thread I’d like to read it and I’m very bad at site navigation)

I believe this is it

If the toll on those bridges is you can't disagree with the individual... That's not much of a bridge anyway.

Hey, I didn't put a value on you saying...

...that's all you.

I just said it's a bad look.

Really?

Gonna have to disagree with you again... You can't WIN a forum debate. They just don't work that way.

I mean to be fair your right debates arnt meant to be won unless your on a debate team XD

No, I think you're missing my point by a long shot. Disagreeing isn't the problem. I disagree with people I network with all the time. I'm pointing out people being unnecessarily combative and rude.

At the end of the day you decide what bridge you think you would like and which you don't. You can decide you don't want to have anything to do with someone based on principle---but, my point is people being unnecessarily rude are doing it at their own expense and no one else's. Being rude and angry "on the main" might feel wonderful at the moment but it does hinder a person in many ways they couldn't even imagine in the long term.

To expand on my point, people who went to art schools or who are trained writers aren't landing jobs because they are inherently better than people who are self-taught. No, they're landing jobs because someone vouched for them, someone pointed them in the right direction, someone helped jump-start their careers.

Creative careers in many ways intrinsically require social skills. Abrasive personalities don't do well in them... and when they do, they end up in PR trouble a lot.

( we're still talking about "visibility on Tapas", right? this topic won't suddenly get unlisted and vanish under mysterious circumstances like things usually do............. right? :neutral_face: )

Whoops. I'm still very new to the site (I say that but my join date says 2017), so this discussion interests me because I'm on a site where discoverability is practically impossible naturally, lol.

Nah you good @saintc. Visibility comes in all shapes and forms. Using your marketing experience, how would you say to best get ahead on Tapas? You’ve covered networking already.

I'm really not. I condensed it for simplifications sake but I understand your more specific point.

But the broader point of mine remains, the conditions that an individual imposes on the positive aspects of a relationship are a toll. If the toll is too high, then there's little point in considering that avenue a bridge.

Beyond the implications of my character, which doesn't offend me at all :grin:, I would like to point out not everyone networks the same way. I primarily use my connections in service of creating better content than landing better opportunities through the connection.

I see the point, but we don't all operate exactly the same way.