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May 2018

If you plan to publish your book/Novel/Comic commercially, this counts tipping, Patreon, and Ad rev, do NOT use Sketchup to make your Backgrounds!
I just got Clip studio EX and i was so excited about that Outline feature so i made a good ammount of buildings in Sketchup to use for Backgrounds but after a talk with some people i found out that Sketchup does make you pay to use your own models in commercial work, and the price is $700

THAT IS STUPID... so i had to scrap everything, my models and the pages i had finished for a buffer and now i am in search of another program similar to Sketchup to use to make my buildings (since i tried blender and its too complex for building making)

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It's stupid that they want to make money off their product?

Is it also stupid that you want to make money off your's?

I never realised that people were auto-outlining their backgrounds.

Not sure how I feel about it yet.

what i am getting at is, a lot of people do not know about this new ToS since the program used to be commercial friendly, also, i feel that $700 is too much for a simple 3d software

i have seen professional comic authors use photos and like this, 3d generated buildings so its not really that taboo

once you have finished a piece of background how can anyone tell or prove what software you made it in? personally i would not have scrapped it all. I have made things with poser and daz 3d and clip studio and only i can say what program i did each of them in.
unless you get someone demanding money i would not worry and even then they have to prove what they demand payment for.

yeah.. im starting to agree, besides i have been looking for other programs and a lot do look like sketchup with the way the models are outlined so, i guess im stupid, but im still not using Sketchup again

stupid is a bit strong, never anything wrong with being careful in the art world, just try not to hit the panic button and nuke your art work too soon from now on.

I have no compunctions letting anyone know that I use Poser to build all kinds of 3D models which I then go on to use as the "wireframe" for my art. I wouldn't call it tracing because I'm just using the basic forms and shapes, as well as lighting effects as a reference upon which I do my inking. Essentially I treat Poser like a replacement for a sketch for many things.

But just auto-outlining 3d art or upping the contrast on a photo, that's not really my thing. Not judging, just saying.

are you sure theyre gonna charge for tracings of models? like, how would they know? can you give a source about this please.

if you want an alternative, blender is a really nice open source CAD program i recommend.

shortcuts a shortcut, what value is there in hand outlining that you lose

to answer as a fellow poser user of over ten years use..you gain time and lots of it. the trick is balance and not to let poser become a crutch for art.

there you go. comics professionally is all about finding ways to be fast, and visuals > craftsmanship, really. everyone decides what to prioritise artistically, for some hand drawn backgrounds arent a priority

It is possible to tell.

I had a teacher in college who had a story about how she made some silhouettes for a zoo and for one of them she used a photo of an eagle she found on Google or wherever.

Cue the photographer of that eagle finding out.

Apparently, the photo of the eagle was at a specific angle that was difficult to take. So it wouldn't be impossible if someone knows the program well enough to figure it out.

But, yeah, CSP makes it incredibly easy to draw a background that looks decent relatively quickly so just do that.

but thats different to making your own models and then tracing them. a CAD model in sketchup looks like a CAD model in maya looks like a CAD model in blender. yes, if youre taking copyrighted assets, theyll be recognisable to the creator, but this is using a program to create your own assets, and then drawing over those assets afterwards

itd be like proving that the eagle photo had been taken on a canon rather than a nikon, just from the stolen silhouette.

This is an interesting tool! Will check out!

I've never used sketchup, but I'm always a little suspicious of programs that appear to be free to use at first. Most everything in this world costs something, one way or another. It's just a good idea to always be thinking about rights when producing work.
I had to watch usage rights on images for years, so I'm basically used to that kind of stuff now.

So these are free programs you can use to build 3D backgrounds, which you can then use as guiding lines to draw over (meaning things stay in the right perspective and the lighting/shading works properly etc)? Wow I've never heard of any of this - I'm pretty rubbish at drawing (especially backgrounds) and really just do them to stop things happening on a blank background, so these could be really helpful.

What's the best free one do people think, Blender?

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The free version allows you to create a 2D floorplan, but there's this feature (similar to Sketchup) that allows you to take a 3D snapshot of a part in the room, which is what I use. But I don't think it's like a "free trial", you can upgrade by paying $$ per month but that's about it. It IS kind of sketchy though! :smiley:

Oh wow, it seems I misunderstood. I was assuming here that this was talking about pre-made assets in SketchUp, much like how CSP has comic tones and other cool stuff you can use to make pages.

But making you pay to use your own work? That is baffling to me.