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You also got to take into account that, like writers who pay artists, your expectations for a series could be far greater due to what you are shelling out to get it made in the first place.

While other creators write and draw so they aren’t really losing out on anything financially being a writer that pays a artist can put you in a place mentally that you aren’t doing good enough work to attract the user base you think you should have and not being thankful for those whom you do have which again is understandable if you’re shelling out money

I’ll say this and make it quick; while I said to you in a prior post that the art is great and love how you thread world building in your story I do think the tale needs a central character that we as a audience follows

There’s a comic I follow on here that in comparison to your comic’s art can be classified as “amateur” but it’s story is so great that becomes second to me while reading it; you can tell their comic has a solid foundation of a world to stand on but that very world doesn’t detract from the characters nor the main story (rarely any lore dumps)

There’s a way to spill lore and you did it right with the son and the mother scene which I loved but when it switched and got to the man talking about the “perfect specimen they lost 11 years ago” it’s little stuff like that that I could see some potential readers not caring about too much as of the start of the story

And like I said with your world building in a prior thread, I can see a vision that’s solid which is great but you have to make sure your world building isn’t taking time away from character

As a reader, I’m going to be honest, no one cares about the world of a story at first, that’s just fact. What the audience needs to care about before any love for the world comes is character. How they act, what they do, their lives, their relationships; all of those little details that make people love a protagonist and other characters; it’s only after that will they feel the need to pay attention to details of the world but that comes after not before. No one cared about the world politics of Star Wars before they cared about Luke Skywalker

So be mindful how much lore you drop in your series and how much of it actually needs to be told for this story to work. Little lore drops is cool, I do that for my series at the end of every episode; but at its focus, especially at the start of the series, should be character

And yeah....
Avoid sub 4 sub threads.

You’re better off with 5 real subs that love your work
over 20 fake subs who are just subbing because
it’s sub 4 sub.

But, that political bit of lore isn't just for lore, it has a meaning for what will be done to the main series, I don't try to shove lore after lore without a reason, all I'm trying to put down has a reason and coherence in the context, they are all elements that will impact the main series, This whole anthology is just an introduction to the world and the Characters, its not the series itself, It doesn't have a central character, because each story has one, the Prologue especially just show and give glimpse of them, but the following Stories are going to go in further to their relationships and personality, while also discussing the event that will lead to the main project, who will have focus on the Kid, and also to further explore the lore as He go!
The prologue is just a Introduction, written long before the rest, From the next story onward, for each story there will be a Character to care about, People should just allow the story to unravel, only because I did this few wrong steps with the Prologue doesn't mean the entire premise should be doomed... Oh that doesn't matter, from what I can see, it's already doomed not even before starting for real.
And NO, I'm not ungratefull of those who already follows me, It always melt my heart and bring back my morality whenever I see that there is someone who despite soem flaws decided to remain.
And, no, the fact that I pay an artist has nothing to do with the expectation, because this was planned more before the idea of pubblishing it as a webcomic.

Understand that the lore is important, but what needs to be stated is some readers don’t care about that especially at first when actually reading a story.

Yeah it’s important, yes it needs to be said, and again I agree that it’s essential to the story but most readers don’t care about that in comparison to being attached to a actual character first.

And yes, I understand the comic is meant as a anthology for the Real story that comes after but even that aside; you have to write a story for this comic first and that involves character. Readers just don’t care, sadly enough, that the story your writing isn’t really the main story; they sign up for a story first and that involves having a character the audience can follow especially in fantasy stories like this that involves a lot of different fundamentals that aren’t based in our reality.

While I understand as a creator it’s hard to think like a reader when viewing our own work, the way readers think and view works are vastly different than what we want them to think. A struggle I deal with and try to learn and improve on a daily basis

Again the art is great and for me I love how you world built with the scene with child and his mother; but just take into account those certain reader hiccups that could possibly be a issue being depicted in the comic so far

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've specified now a few times that EACH Story of the Anthology, will focus on a character, its relation, and bit of its story, and not just lore (that unlike the Prologue, is reduced at bare minimum as I've already wrote them all, giving more focus on the event they are living at the moment), So, readers Sign up not for one story, but for different stories, the prologue, WAS, JUST, an Introduction not planned as the others, and at its state, it couldn't be changed much, I couldn't cut the "Problematic" scenes, because they would just cause an abrupt end, and it would be worse, but I couldn't even rewrite the dialogue to say something irrelevant, the scenes have purpose.
All I'm saying is to allow this anthology to give its time instead of dropping it before it could start for real because "Oh oh, its a lore-dump garbage", Because it's not that, COmpared to the real lore, talking about a "Specimen" (One of the main character as well), and how they want to use a loophole, IS NOTHING compared to the entire lore, it's plot, not lore, PLOT, andh the scene with the kid and the mother did presented him as the Focal, but it wasn't the right time to fleh him out, but He will be mentioned most of the time through the Stories, with one even have him as as the Focal point, but NEED TIME! I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING!

Never said it was lore dump garbage and see you’re getting upset over it, which wasn’t the intention; was just giving feedback that a reader could possibly have issues with when first reading and picking up the series at a passerby glance.

And no need for the caps lock

This thread is just people giving feedback that could be issues and problems, everyone is just trying to help in some way. I’ll end that there though, good luck with your series Fedriz

Hi, mind if I step in for a minute? I've read the posts, your story, and your responses, so I hope I got a good idea of the situation.

Before I came on tapas a creator, I have been a reader for a way longer time. I've read novels and comics and not just on tapas. Also, read on Webtoon and even Wattpad (which I do not recommend). I have read my fair share of works and here is my opinion:

I understand that you need your time to explain the story, introduce the main characters and all, but here's the thing: readers won't give you that time. Myself included. No matter if it's part of the prologue or not, if it is lengthy and doesn't "hook" the readers, they will drop it. I trust you know what you're doing, it's quite interesting (your story) but I look at it from a writer's point of view. Not the reader's view.

What I see (as a reader) are pictures and a bunch of letters and words. When I (as a reader) read a story, I want to know what it is about. Immediately. Maybe if I'm in the correct mood I will give you two or three more chapters, but if I don't know it by then, I will drop it. Simple as that. Stupid, frustrating but there is nothing you can do about it. No one can, unfortunately...

Now, here's my idea on how to help you.
Of course, I don't know what kind of story it will be, but if I'm correct, the further you get into the story, the better readers will understand, because more information will be given. So, maybe (hopefully) it gets better you upload more chapters. You can even take a break to build up a buffer if you need it.

Second, you can also ask the readers in the description of your comic something like: Yo, I know this seems lengthy at first, but I promise it's a good story. Or something similar. Whatever you like.

I have done this in my novel where I break the 4th wall. People were often confused and were like what's going on, so I said in my description: Disclaimer: High levels of sassiness and 4th wall breaking. Read at your own risk! Make it part of your story. By doing this, you prepare the readers already for what is to come.

So, to summarize:
1. Add more chapters. Take a break if needed!
2. Add a sentence to your description, informing and preparing the readers for what's to come.

I hope this helps! And good luck on here!

Never even said it was what you said, It's just that this is what at this point it seem it appear to everyone... And I'm quite sorry if I'm getting fed up, it's not the best time for me, and most of the time I appreciated the critics even accpeting them and trying to work on them (Such as Grammar, despite in some cases I can't do much, and also the Pacing, which is not present in later parts), but I feel to be on the defensive when I feel attacked, especially when, in a first moment someone say it has potential, and later, it all seem like "All smoke, no roast", because it looks like I just wanted to push the story with the idea "Look at the art, oh what a cool art", when I really put so much into the world, the story, the narrative, the Character even have parts of my life, people I met, parts of me, and see all of it endagered for a miscconception just ticks me off, I was about to off myself if I haven't managed to find again passion into writing this universe of mine and its stories. I know what I'm doing, but even long before starting to consider pubblishing it, everyone were like I had no idea what I was doing... I feel just overwhelmed, this series is the only thing I did RIGHT for once, and I had made crap in the past, thing I tried to erase because It wasn't for real good, the version of the Story I'm pubblishing wasn't even the first, it was the 9th rewriting, and unlike the provious one, it was the most complete one I've ever made, and now, A, SINGLE, ISSUE, is ruining it. That is all. But I guess I already destroyed any chance now with my behaviour so, I just give up.

If you know what your doing, then why is the title of this topic "What actually am I doing wrong!?"

All Reveal and darthmongoose said was that there was a lot of lore and talking upfront and not much action from the characters. Yes, we realize that explaining certain things is important for the future stories but as it stands, there's not much action going on. And I don't mean action in terms of a fight scene, I mean in terms of visually showing the reader things about these characters. We literally hop between stationary dialogue scenes without much happening in between. And that's fine if that's how you want to play it, but understand that there are many potential readers who are not willing to put up with slow pacing and heavy dialogue. And that's just how it is. There are also plenty of readers who like and will like the comic as is. This is a visual medium, so let's hope in future chapters you do more with the visuals.

The two type of "Knowing" aren't the same.
The questioon was about the issue,
the statement is about how I planned it all forefront and how it shouldn't be just the "Pacing" of the Prologue to destroy everything, and that is alctually feding me up, rather than the feedbacks themselves.
Also, dialogues are essential part of the story, they do thing while talking, we learn their relationship from how they talk to each other... and the prologue itself wasn't even meant to do much, neither to have much done in it just to introduce!

I understand your frustration because I was once there. and looking at your series you just recently started posting in January of this year. Series don't just blow up overnight it requires time. when i started posting last year July up until now i have 1.7k subs but you can see the timeframe. patience is needed to acquire readers. also just as everyone has mentioned, you can also try other platforms as well if you haven't already done that.

Another mistake people make is they advertise like for some weeks and think they will gain something from that which is wrong. you have to keep it at. if you are paying for advertising then it has to be consistent. Advertising is something that you have to keep doing. not done for a short period of time.

the artwork is good, very pleasant to look at. however, I did see a reader mention that she was confused. i can see what a reader will be confused about because i myself couldn't quite follow and that right there is an instant kill.
I'm sorry i can't speak too much on the editing aspect of this because I'm an artist and not too experienced with this part however i would suggest you maybe get someone that can look over your dialog to see what can be done better. just my two cents i hope it helps.

The problem is that it's not up to me, the Artist takes a month for 10 pages, and so I have a lot of buffer to do, I already have to take a week of hiatus this week so to keep a stable schedule that doesnt conflict with Her workload (Alotught the first half of the next story is ready to be pubblished but scheduled).
I might consider to warn the change of location in the description, but I don't know if someone would really read it, many tend to ignore description, but I'll give it a try.
I'll see what I can pull out of it.

I'm not saying the dialogue isn't important, just that some readers won't be privy to sheer amount of it in the prologue. I'm going to say this, you and your artist are doing good work, undeniably, but there's no need to be so defensive about something you don't plan on changing. Just agree to disagree with criticism and move on. We're just trying to tell what could be a reason readers aren't latching on to your story like you'd hoped.

To state a contrary opinion/encouragement, that you've only been uploading for 2 months and are already at 70 subscribers is actually quite good :smiley: It might not be the hugest number, sure, but that's much higher and much faster than many other creators reach with their first series on this platform.

For example, I reached the 70 subscriber point at month... 7, according to my dashboard, and even I felt as though my comic was over-performing compared to other new creators :sweat_smile:

I unfortunately don't have time to read right now as my work day is about to start (others have offered story feedback already anyways), but taking a quick flip through your comic, the artist that you have puts out really solid and eye-catching work! I'm sure if you keep at it, you'll continue to find more readers. Don't let 1 or 2 slow weeks get you down~ On these hosting sites often promotion and getting eyes on your comic in the first place is the hardest fight. Sometimes if you upload and get washed off of the "Fresh" list too fast and don't hit trending your comic may just be invisible for a week.

It's not that I'm not planning on changing, altough, dialogue still is a crucial part, if accompanied with some action, the following stories have dialogue more inherent to what they are doing, rather to past things, like the Prologue, because they are living the moment... My series was born as a Novel, but I always loved comics, and finding the artist was a chance to make it real, my english wouldn't allow the series to have a chance as a Novel, and I love to see my character being brought to life, despite they all talk, or do a few action every so often (Well, the main story is my masterpiece and magnus opus, so in that one I've went over 11/10 about the action scenes and how to alternate them with the dialogue), and I'm just looking forward for everyone to see the REAL story once this little introductory Anthology is over... it's just disheartening how it take just one thing to ruin everything...

EDIT: Also, I would really like to separate the infamous part 6 (The change of Scenery) and Part 7 (Another change of Scenery), but the point it, the ending of part 5 would be so much abrupt...

That boom happened long before the infamous part 6, after that, everyone just turned off... But I can't remove that part, it will make the prologue meaningles, such as also part 7.
I don't know what to do anymore...

Grammar aside, I don't think your comic has major issues but, you know, with the coming of Webtoon and things like that, readers now are a bit more spoiled. There's a huge variety of free stories to read and, if you see what's popular in the front page, you'll know why your story's creating these reactions. Just read the first chapter of one of them. You'll see that the main twist happens early on and the story revolves around it for the rest of the chapters.

You are the kind of writer that loves to take his time building up their world. There's nothing wrong with it but it's not going to be popular since readers are focused on other stuff (like mainly Boys Love and Isekai, right now).

You shouldn't change again your story. Over-writing too much usually leads to forever unfinished projects. But also you shouldn't expect readers to fall head-over-heels in love with your comic. You should be the one satisfying the readers, not the contrary. That would be egoistic.

Keep working on your comic because you love doing it and, if success happens, even better. If not, you accomplished a great goal anyway. But don't give up, keep promoting and keep publishing on other platforms! Success strikes the less you expect it.

Of course try it out, see if it works for you! (It did work for me)

Also, in your last post you said something about "it only takes one thing ruin it" or something; I don't think it's ruined! Sure, you need time and all an maybe it didn't go as well as expected but that doens't mean it ruined.

My novel sometimes has 4 views a day and the other day it's 44. Like that happens, and I don't know how and if I can fix it. But that's okay, that's just how it goes it doesn't mean it's not good enough or anything :wink:

Please be patient, and don't give up. At least you have come this far! And what? 70 subscribers? It's a lot people to be honest..

But, I didn't over wrote, I wrote the story already, it just need to be exectued in comic (Well, the plot of the main one is at 80% but almost toward the end), so, this is not going to be unfinished like its predecessor, that is why I'm so much on the defensive with it, as I know how it does progress unlike the prologue.
I don't aim to be popular, but that my series is alive and appreciated, and if there are people who loves it, that actually is a motivation to go at 200%... But this is not a period I'm mentally doing well, and the series has been the only comfort tool I had, that Is why the thought of it failing from the start just ticks me off...

See, that's the thing though: That "infamous part 6" was only uploaded... 10 days ago. That's nothing in webcomic time :sweat_smile: One thing that would be good to come to terms with now, sooner than later, is that not every single update and not every single week will absolutely knock it out of the park, so to speak. But that's okay! The big picture and overall series performance are what counts.

See now, if you continue to upload for another 1, 2, 3 months and see the performance continue to trend downward, then there might be a bigger problem. But 1 weak update/week is nothing to be concerned about.

For example, just to list a personal anecdote, look at my stats here from the comic I mentioned earlier. It was a short story so it uploaded from October 2018 to December 2019.

Although you can see that the numbers generally trend downwards over time (this is typical), there's that extremely low dip there in February 2019. 2 Subscribers over the course of 4 updates, where as every month prior had many more. If I had taken that as a total loss and given up then that would have been the end of it. But as you can see, March bounced back again with many more subs again. I couldn't tell you why February 2019 was slow for me, but it was and that's okay. It doesn't mean the rest of the comic wasn't going to still do as well as expected :slight_smile:

Hmm, I see. Well for now there's not much to do, except to be patient and to not give up. Good luck, I hope everything works out alright!

After a bit of reflection I've decided to turn the two change of scenery into stand alone chapters, rathern than be part of the Prologue, they have their own purpose, so, they better be separate.

From a glace, the art looks good. Though the banner and cover could be more eye catching. The story gives me a "The Never Ending Story" kind of feel, but I'm assuming he's going into this fantasy world later.

In my opinion, there are two other reasons why people may also be ignoring it:
1) Your comic is just beginning, and people tend to read things that are further ahead or completed more than something that barely started.
2) People are interpreting your extra parts as filler rather than something they have to read. Maybe you should title it as interlude or something else rather than extra.

I spotted this grammatical error, so I'll mention it: "Y-Yeah..I'm sorry Mama. But I was so caught up to it." It should say caught up in it. But like everyone else said, just be patient and keep making episodes like you usually do. If things still don't change further in, maybe try changing the day you post it or other websites like Webtoon.

Originally they were part of the prologue, but as many pointed, the change of scenery was too sudden and might have been a reason to turn away, but by making them separate chapter they aren't related to the prologue, altough... But, Interlude sounds much better, I'll change to it.
Also, nah, it''s not an isekai type of story, they already are living in a Fantasy world... with Sci-fi Roots (Or else, the kid wouldn't have those peculiar eyes in the first place... and the Chancelor himself).

Also, for the cover and the Banner I wanted to play more on the "Book Cover" feel, being an anthology, and either way, this series one aren't at the same level as of the Series (The main story) that will follow.

Ok, that's interesting.

By the way, I noticed another mistake in Prologue part 4. There was a part where Alfredo said: "Why I am different?" which should say, "Why am I different?"

While it's usually good to not expect much from the start, I think it's also just as important to continuously challenge where you are by pursuing a little bit more than what you are capable of. The key is accepting the outcome, but separating your sense of value from it.

Sometimes when I try to match my value to what I think the past me could get in return, I start to lower myself and thus lose my flare to connects to others as a creator. I think people pick up on this and easily become disinterested with our broken-selves.

It's taking me a lot of personal mastery to get comfortable with thinking this way because it takes daily practice but it also allows me to love doing more than having done.

I'll be honest with you: my only complaint is that the text is too small and I can't read it on my phone. I would have dropped it if I had just randomly come across your comic, but because I wanted to see what this was all about I opened it again on my laptop and don't regret it, I enjoyed the story. You formatted it as a scroll comic, make sure you get the most benefit out of it! Otherwise, just post it as pages.

Yes, the comic is rather narrative-heavy, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

Fun fact, Originally I've released the first 5 parts as indeed Pages, but, as I wanted to challenge myself, I've spent 4 hours into making them in scroll format (Also because, in pages the Textes in some other parts where even smaller, Part 1 is a hideous example or also the Interludes who are the biggest offenders), It's something I'm trying to avert on the following Stories, as the prologue was indeed poorly handled as It wasn't born with the Webcomic concept in mind.

The only thing you're actually doing wrong is being impatient, in my opinion.

74 subscribers with a 7-part story (one that only takes about 15-20 minutes to binge so far) isn't bad at all to me, though I only know about novels. I know that, outside premium series, Tapas is all about the long game; it's going to take 6 months, maybe a year to reach the levels you are looking for. It's not failing; it's just growing slowly, because it's a plot-based comic with not much plot so far. Once you're a few chapters in, you'll get a lot more readers, I'm sure.

I agree with @thedude3445 too. From what I see, the start seems not bad. Premium contents are sponsored by several agencies and foreign platforms so individual creators shouldn't feel overwhelmed by them. I think you have a good foundation to grow bigger.

Actually I think your comic is fine if anything the one thing I would point out that you are doing wrong is your banner and promo content. (But I am nitpicking here)

I saw you advertising on the forums saw your banner and went hell yeah that looks like my kinda story. (I thought from the banner or at least my first impression was that it was some sort of singing/dancing idol group story with zanier than life characters that were not like the regular pretty manwha.

Which is so far from what your comic is.

Hahaha. I just misinterpreted what your comic was about by the chosen artwork you were using to promote with. So when I read the comic it wasn't what I was looking for and I unsubscribed and stopped reading. (Again nothing on you hun. Your comic is great.)

But when I just clicked through to your profile then clicked on your website. The art you have on your website so clearly is your comic. I wonder why you didn't use it to promote with. It's really good and gives off a matching vibe to the comic.

If there is anything to change I think that would be it. The art you choose to represent your work needs to speak loudly of what your story is. If it is giving off the wrong vibes. You will find less people subscribing because the wrong people are finding your work. When you need to find your lovely little darlings who will hold up your efforts and worship it happily the same way you do. For that you gotta find your peeps. XD

The Artwork in the website are all related to the series that will follow, as those are more fitting to that one as it has the kid as the main character and its growth is part of the main plot, while for this one I'm releasing, as it is an Anthology meant to introduce the Characters, world, key and plot element that will be concluded in the main story, and so, it has a Focal character for each one of the 5 Stories that will feature, I worked with what I have on my hands, and tried to make a cover that reflect the feel of a "Collection of Stories", with the star that, other than being a recurring symbol in the series, and correlate to the Kid's nickname "Starlet", also mean that each story, despite how different from each other, do all have a connection, either by their focal character themselves, or even toward the kids himself (Who is in the top tip no less).
It might not be the flashiest one, the most Cliched or cool like the main characters walking toward the reader, or a akward couple like a romance cover, or even the hero showing off his abilities like other Covers I've seen, but It makes sense for its context, like the one in my website are more in line with the context of the Series that will follow this one once it will conclude at the end of this year (It's a short run, while the main one is going to be a long run.... and It's not theory or me mounting my head, it's an estimation made with all I've written so far and how much it will take to be made in comic).