Welp no matter how the voting system works, It's just unfair how everyone has to choose this or that or the other thing. And this whole "blue vs reds" makes it so extreme, like can't they compromise? Like this there will always be many, many people that will be disappointed, angry or sad. And because this Trump vs Hillary almost tied, basically half of the country is unhappy... That's kind of shocking. If only everyone could be happy... 
Again, I agree it's not perfect, but it's the best system human civilisation has ever devised, and the alternative is multitudes of degrees worse. There may be other, not yet tested methods of organising civilisation, but those remain theoretical. Try not to think of it as half the population are unhappy. Yes, that half is unhappy at the moment, but in 4 years, or 8, or whenever, they could be happy again, the population that's happy now would then be unhappy again. The left-right dichotomy is a natural manifestation of a free, voting society. They check and balance each other, swinging from one side to the other as the political climate demands. If a society goes full left or full right you end up with tyranny. We're talking mass oppression, dictatorships, human suffering on a monumental scale. The liberty we enjoy in the west rests on a knife edge. The left and right need each other to ensure that liberty prevails.
I love the guy. Building a wall is a great Idea. and it about time we did something with china. Putin called off ww3 after he is in office.
Trump had more electoral votes while Clinton had the popular vote (She had more votes).
Actually it starts with quite a few people before it goes down to the most popular candidates who win their party's nomination.
There's also other candidates 3rd party/Independent.
That's if you get re elected like Obama. Your really only facing 4 years in power..
That's actually a really important question I've been wondering?
Law wise I think it has to pass through congress and since republicans who likely support Trump took control of both the House and Senate his laws are most likely going to pass..
Nuke wise. Trump can, he will be met by opposition but ultimately it's his decision.. scary isn't it?
I'm shocked and scarred! There is so much hate, anger and fear tied to Trumpās campaign. Many of the tactics (anger, fear, hate) Trump used to "win" the election was similar to the tactics Hitler used. I am a woman and have a girlfriend and live in a red state. My girlfriend has been out of work for 3 months due to discrimination she's faced from coworkers and a manager, and getting everything sorted out has been a nightmare! As a member of the LGBTQ community I'm scarred what will happen to my rights! When my girlfriend, myself, and another gay friend went to early voting, one of the ladies running it was very mean and disrespectful to us after she realized we were gay and voting Dem/Libral.
Today I told a Rep. friend that I was scarred what would happen to my rights, and he replied that I shouldnāt worry since Trump is neutral about LGBTQ. I told him that even if Trump is neutral his vice president, Pence, is anything but! He didnāt reply, and I think itās because he doesnāt know of Penceās malicious opinion and approach towards LGBTQ. I then said I was frustrated that the election was decided by the electoral vote, not the popular vote, since Hillary won the popular vote. He then replied that it didn't really matter if Hillary won the popular vote , since it was just a āfewā votes more. Then, this hypocrite turns around and says that Mitt R. should have won the last election, because he won the popular vote. I told him that I was pretty sure that wasnāt true, as I read an article earlier that day stating that Gore vs. Bush was the last time the popular vote (Gore) didnāt win the electoral (Bush). He didnāt believe me. When, I got home I doubled checked, and I was right!
It's so frustrating! So many of the people here (Red state) only watch one news source (Fox News) That's the ONLY source of info they use! It's so sad; so many people choose to feed themselves a narrow stream of info, and that stream is often full of rumors and false information. As an American, I strive to educate myself, and not stop at the easy, quick or most comfortable answers. To vote is not just a right, it's a responsibility to educate oneself, and that means looking at a variety of news sources. If you do not educate yourself, DO NOT VOTE! Because so many uneducated, and arguably brainwashed, people voted, we now have a rude, racist, egotistical, arrogant, misogynistic bully lined up to lead our country. I cried when he won. I feel like my heart is broken....
However, I hopeā¦ I hope that Trump will serve our country right. I hope his lack of propriety, was a publicity stunt and not how he will actually behave once in the office. I hope he realizes that the world is not black and white, and that we live in an world that is complex and interwoven. I hope he will make choices that help the people, and that means ALL the people. I hope he picks a smart cabinet that can sit him down and teach him how politics, and the political world, actually works. I hope he will make choices that help all Americanās thrive financially, not just the 1% (which includes himself) I hopeā¦. he will be decent.
I feel sorry for the LGBTQ and basically anything outside of the white male demographic for the results of this election. At this rate I'm not so worried about Trump himself as much as the effect he and his campaign has had on the people and how racism and discrimination has, in effect, become legitimized because now there is a racist and discriminating president.
As a white, straight male: I'm sorry. I wish that more of us were open-minded and you know... not racist and discriminating pricks.
I dunno, I think I may be in a state of denial however it is fully possible that Trump might get overwhelmed by being president and just end up sitting on his hands. So what is going to happen when his hardcore supporters who were expecting radical changes don't get what they want? What if the "wall" is only part of a wall or never happens. What if the extremist Christian groups slowly realize that they voted for someone who is not Christian. Or this so called "outsider" is just as corrupt as anyone in the establishment.
I just feel like the next few years are going to be a mess. And living in the Metro DC area doesn't help. D:
On another note, I wonder if the NYC Trump tower will not be closed off to the public. A year and a half ago, my sisters and I walked through the lobby but I feel now they might not let people do that anymore. A small coffee in the cafe was $8....jeez.
I wonder about this too. Trumps promises are very far fetched and many are nearly impossible to turn into reality. I understand that someone who is out of a job, because their factory moved to China would support him who promises to bring back the jobs. But the reality of it all is, it is just not quite that simple. And Trump DOES know that.
Not sure his supporters will keep him accountable though. The blame of failure can easily pushed elsewhere, like the senate or whoever else is available.
Someome on Imgur created this manga. http://imgur.com/gallery/zXlmi4
If the Chinese could build a wall without modern technology, I'm pretty sure we can build a wall with it.
I think that one has little to do with capability, but issues like Mexico won't pay for it and neither will America, among other things.
I'd at least be very shocked if that one happened....
Well, kinda, anything can happen now. XD
I can guarantee that some of them won't. I've seen this happen in my own country: the die-hard followers of a populist leader are capable of literally shoot themselves in the foot and blame the pain bleeding on whatever scapegoat is thrown at them.
The true question is how many are like that.
Pretty sure America outgrew the need for slaves because technology and economy made them unnecessary.
Yet the Mexican President released a statement that he wanted to work with Donald Trump. He's definitely opening most of the doors that have been closed during the Obama administration (I like Obama and think he did a fantastic job, but America needs an outsider.)
Well, wanting to work with Trump doesn't necessarily mean a wall's happening. But again, I don't know anything for certain at this point.
Uuuuhhhh..... {slowly edges away}
Not gonna touch that one with a ten foot pole...
I can't stand people's reaction to him. Everyone against him act like they're innocent even though they're responsible for all of this. People are legitimately confused how this happened. It's not rocket science, America doesn't have the morale it had 70 years ago. We don't know what's going on anymore, we don't have the nationalistic pride like in the past when there was reason for it. Our country has done shady things for years leading to the crumbling of our societies trust. From Vietnam to Iraq we just have no clue what the hell to do anymore or what's going on. People trying to say all trump supporters are white straight male fascists is laughable when so many weren't. Yes both the left and right is responsible for it, no one's innocent. Protesting trump's presidency isn's gonna make a difference, it makes you look stupid because you can't change an election. Start protesting when your rights as an American gets challenged. Pointing fingers and blaming others isn't gonna solve anything. Everyone's at fault.
I don't mind it as long as this is not a chance so that closet racists end up actually coming out and bothering everybody who are not like them.
Also as a person that lives in South America I find resemblances with Hugo Chavez.
And if you like World History...well, you know...
I mean he represents himself as an outsider that will change U.S.A and all that, and uses a hate speech...
Jonathan Pie is hilarious and very cogent; he reflects how I feel about this election as a whole:
There are extreme ideologues on both sides. I originally thought of saying perhaps it would be better if the forums avoided talking politics, since people (on both sides) sometimes get triggered pretty easily. But I've always found this to be a very civil place (considering this is the internet). I think if real discussions are held, without resorting to hurling insults or character assassination, and people are genuinely reflective on their own beliefs, it might make for a really good environment for story tellers to grow. Much of our stories are influenced by our lives and beliefs, and coming into conflict with others can be a chance to either stay insular or grow.
That doesn't make sense though, it sets up a scenario where the tyranny of the majority is way worse; basically, because I'm a democrat in Idaho, my vote was completely thrown out, whereas with a true democracy, every vote would be worth the same amount. The way it is now, your vote has more potency per person if you are in a rural area, which doesn't make any sense especially because (as someone from a rural area) our public schools are terrible and our populations are crazy uneducated, we should -not- have more power to get an electoral vote as an individual in a city.
To be fair, anytime the majority of people vote for a candidate and they still lose, it is disorienting and upsetting. It's only happened twice in the past century, it's quite rare. And certain citizen's rights -are- being threatened; he said on the campaign trail that he'd remove Obamacare, which many people now rely on, he's threatening to deport Mexican Americans and it is important to note that his election is directly correlated to a spike in hate crimes and suicides in the U.S. so...I think peaceful protests actually make a lot of sense right now.
It's a solid argument, and it's definitely one worth having. I still think the electoral college is fairer than a nationwide popular vote. Remember, each district is a first past the post popular vote. A system with numbered preferences is better and encourages more parties to part.
Right now though no one's rights have been threatened by congress as of yet, it hasn't happened. And a good majority of people did vote for trump which is surprising in of itself. The election happened, and I think these people want them to change the election. Like that's a viable option. Right now protesting isn't gonna solve anything because there's no real basis behind it. It's just people upset and trying to change what already happened.
Actually Hillary got the majority. :c It is unlikely the election results will change, but it is theoretically possible with enough faithless electors. I think people are mostly protesting to show they do not support the campaign platform he ran on.
I said a good majority, it wasn't like trump got 10%. They have no real goal or direction though, you can't even name what their goal is yourself. There's nothing they're really protesting on much like that stupid wall street protest years ago that went no where. They're just doing it because they're angry. That's really what it is. And as a new yorker they're basically holding back traffic and blocking off important places so it's making me a little more pissed.
Perhaps, but clearly many of the people who are rioting, setting fires, destroying property, beating up people they suspect of having voted for Trump, ironically, but sadly not surprisingly, holding up a sign calling for the rape of the next first lady, are doing so because they were always violent, dogmatic ideologues. We know this because they were doing the same thing during the election. Their preferred candidate lost and now they're throwing a monumental hissy fit in the vein hope of overturning a democratic election. Never going to happen. And how childish to proclaim he's not going to be their president. For 8 years millions of americans have supported President Obama's authority despite being diametrically opposed to his politics. This is how a republic works, don't like it, move to North Korea. I feel sorry for all the reasonable Hillary voters who are taking this loss gracefully, licking their wounds, looking to the future, whose reputations are being dragged through the mud by these violent insurrectionists. I strongly suspect that the longer this unrest goes on, the more support the new republican run branches of government will garner.
What?! Is there any credible source of that type of protest? Where are you getting that information? I've seen a lot of footage of the protests and I definitely haven't seen any fires or violence. Sounds a little fishy. :<
There's plenty of video all over he net going back months off all kinds of mob violence going on. the last couple of days have been nuts. I didn't realise that was in dispute. I mean, it's video evidence, uploaded to youtube and twitter by people who are there. You haven't seen the dumpster, flag and effigy burning? There's a particularly disgusting video of a gang of people pulling a Trump voter from a car and beating the crap out of him. I know this incident isn't necessarily linked to protesters or violent rioters, but it does prove without a shadow of a doubt that these kinds of people are out there and they mean business.
Flag/effigy burning is purely symbolic, it's not violent. Here is an overhead shot of one of the biggest protests against him, and also a link to a video of a protest, you can see they're marching peacefully, not hurting anyone or destroying anything. When I finally found the video you were talking about, it was through the Daily Mail, which is a notoriously dishonest tabloid. Though I hope that regardless of the reason that man was attacked that he recovered and his assailants were brought to justice. 
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Well, I'd never deny that there are peaceful protests going on. Of course I encourage that. The right to assemble in peaceful protest is a cornerstone of civilised society. But you also can't deny that there is violent rioting happening in response in direct response to the election. It's not difficult to find video of them doing everything I described. Why go to news outlets? Just go straight to the source. The Portland police themselves have tweeted that the protests in their city have descended into rioting. The evidence is undeniable at this point.
To be honest, here in Canada, we are seeing violent protests all over our news... and if you just type it into google and go to news it tends to just pop up. If its true or not who knows, the news is easily skewed. I mean look at the lies they told throughout this electoral campaign this year alone...
These are just some of the ones that popped up when I typed in protests in America into google news. (AGAIN, it is not all credible and I wasn't there so I don't know. I'm just saying these news stories are easy to find online..)
'News' Story 12
'News' Story 2
'News' Story 3
Note these probably aren't the best examples. But they are just examples... There is also alot of footage on Youtube. Again, who knows how credible it is... but still. Not hard to find.
miesmud:
how can Trump win when Hillary had more votes?
Trump had more electoral votes while Clinton had the popular vote (She had more votes).
Hillary did not have the popular vote. Donald did. the news here said he was head and on line polls always showed Donald ahead and at election Donald has around a 8% lead.
miesmud:
And why can you only choose out of two people to become president in the first place?
Actually it starts with quite a few people before it goes down to the most popular candidates who win their party's nomination.
There's also other candidates 3rd party/Independent.
The Democratic(Jefferson) and Republican(Lincoln) both parties are very old "money groups" that are used to fund the presidential race. no independent/3rd party candidate has the money to run against them. So there is only two.
miesmud:
Why can you only be president for 8 years?
That's if you get re elected like Obama. Your really only facing 4 years in power..
The first president was president for about 40 years. they made it 4 years up to two times to make sure no one bad like President Obama stays too long.
miesmud:
And why can only people with TONS of money become president?
That's actually a really important question I've been wondering?
You have to have TONS of money to run as President to do this most people like Hillary get thier money from Large Banks in return for favors after being President. Donald has his own money and was able to run by him self.
miesmud:
I have no idea how much a president really CAN do, but I think it takes more than one man to end the world.
Law wise I think it has to pass through congress and since republicans who likely support Trump took control of both the House and Senate his laws are most likely going to pass..Nuke wise. Trump can, he will be met by opposition but ultimately it's his decision.. scary isn't it?
No one liked Hillary she was a criminal. one of the worst ever seen going back to Nixon and getting kicked off of Watergate long before the crap she pulled here.
George Washington was only president for 8 years (two terms by modern day standards), and any other 'president' prior to the formation of the United States was only president for 1-2 years tops. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the only president to run 16 (give/take) consecutive years in office, probably longer if he didn't die in office in his 4th term.
Anyone who ran before that were just following tradition based off George Washington's time in office and congress didn't pass an amendment (22nd) preventing someone running for president more than twice until after FDR to prevent the establishment of a dictatorship / after realizing that running more than two terms is too much power to give to one person.
There was also employment on Craigslist for this... I am aware.
But that doesn't make it fake. The smashing of windows and destroying things isn't fake. That window is still smashed, people are getting beat up...ect...
It just makes the protesters who are trying to be peaceful look like trash as these people who were hired to cause mayhem run amok. Whether its angry people or people who were hired, things are still getting destroyed for no good reason.
People also need to be careful about what they hear, seeing how any information, true or false, spreads like wild fire.
Like the whole bus thing http://www.snopes.com/anti-trump-protesters-bused-into-austin/2
