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Sorry, forgot to mention but there is always a way around that system like creating false accounts/bots. That's why I said it's not a valid solution. It will create new problems in unexpected ways.

A good solution would be educating new people on how marketing works and teach them not to spam. We can't really do more than that. Unless a moderator is constantly checking forums and warning people.
But I know how lazy and cheap some companies can be regarding moderators.
Many times they prefer to make things automatically instead of paying a person to read each and every message.

Sadly creating an automated system can bring many errors and lack of judgement. Ai just aren't advanced enough to completely replace human interactions in certain situations. I consider promoting being one of them.

There's literally always going to be people who will try and game any system you come up with. That's just how communities are. And no solution is going to be perfect. But we can potentially find the most optimal solution.

Fake accounts and bots don't matter because the threads would be based on the title of the product, not who's posting it. So that wouldn't be an issue. They might make a duplicate thread, but that's easy to auto-check and handled by mods or automation.

You can only educate those who care to be educated, unfortunately. Most people who post in the promo threads probably haven't ever glanced the rest of the forum and would have no idea of any rules.

Big this

lots of us who've been on the forums for along time have tried to show new folks "the way" but really it only ever matters to those who actually bother to read and learn so the trying to educate happens way less

for some it takes learning the hard way and seeing folks get annoyed and others just fizzle out when they don't see results and go elsewhere so it's a problem that sort of tends to itself but also operates in an endless cycle

Pretty much, yeah.

I've written software for forum moderation a couple of times, and while it's not perfect, it really does help mods so much. But it's also on the community.

I think if we had title-specific threads, it'd just overall be better. People who enjoy certain titles can follow those threads for news, updates, art, whatever. There wouldn't be seas of posts to scroll through to find an interesting title. There'd be way less spam. And if someone made a duplicate of a title, all you gotta do is flag it for mods to check.

It's really easy and it does work.

It would also encourage people to update daily to get pushed toward the top.

Details regarding your solution would have to be wroked out. Each time you post I get a better idea of what you meant. I liked when you mentioned slow post on promo forums. If it is like the discord slow-post option I think it will work. Limiting to 1 post per day on promos section and adding a slow option to not allow multiple members to post on promos around every 2-3 minutes or something like that.

In other words, limiting posts per account on promos section to once or twice per day and limiting posts in promo section between members to 1 every 2-3 minutes.

Don't think it will be implemented but it could work.

That's what I'd do, yeah. And it'd be really easy to implement programmatically. A web dev could do it in an hour, easily.

i can't speak on the coding but i think it'd depend on whats available to this forums base (which is Discourse iirc) and what options are available in this sites currently implemented version

coz it's definitely old enough that dark more isn't something that can be added in per a response i'd gotten a while back in a thread asking about it so anything beyond that is ???

It depends on how complicated or simple they programmed their forums.
You know how it is, some people make a complex system making even the most simple modification take hours just because they didn't think ahead.

Assuming their forum system is simple, it will still take time for tapas to aprove the changes but we can propose it for now.

If they reject it, at least we tried.

Ah for real? I figured they used some combo of sql and php. That's usually what I work with if I'm doing web stuff (and javascript of course). You could do a check during the php processing of data to see if a title exists in the db already and then return false to the poster (denied post) if it did.

I've seen a few threads like this, and none of them have made me compelled to click unless I was already keeping up with their work. Considering the imbalance of writers vs. readers here, I feel like this would just clog up the promo thread in a new way. The current system has its fair share of problems, but at least it fosters a situation where creators might be see another work they're interested in (even if it's kind of rare in practice.)

I do like OP's idea, though I'd miss the more unique promotion threads. Maybe having the a few generic promo threads and limiting forum users to only creating more specific threads might work?

i only ever found out about it after doing some digging and checking the automated responses (the close after 30 days thing) and managed to backtrack that to the site host but beyond that uh...no clue ^^;;

i'm definitely not a coding person (most i've got under my belt is basic html and dreamweaver) so i leave that talk to the tech heads :sweat_02:

Sometimes I wish there was an independent marketplace for web fiction/comics. There are so many sites for web fiction these days that I think everyone has trouble with marketing. At least with an independent site, you could write the code to however you wanted

Can't speak for tapas since I haven't investigated how they programmed forums. But I have seen it happen with many clients.
Some create a super fancy system that is so complex it is hard to modify in a short time while others prefer to save money creating a mess of the coding.

If they went traditional html5 coding (meaning php, java, sql, etc. Modifications are possible) then all it would take is for tapas directors to approve the suggestion.

The promo threads only really work if you're popular. I got more reads on Tapas by simply existing and occasionally promoting than spamming people.

You can create your own blog and advertise on facebook or pay for adds. There is no cheap way to promote yourself unless you have the patience.

Pretty much, yeah. I'd HOPE they follow the basic guidelines anyone would with a bit of web dev education under their belt, but who knows.

If it was that bad though, I'd hope they'd have the code rewritten anyway, just to be up with the times and for the sake of any possible upgrades and changes in the future.

That's true forums are mainly to get advice. Only a few authors truly promote their work successfully.
The rest just get sub 4 sub on the forums.

Agreed.

The only difference we'd have is that there'd be less clusters of the exact same things being promoted on a multitude of threads. The average promo poster will come in, spam post on 4 or 5 different threads the exact same copy/paste, and then leave. All 5 of those threads are then sitting at the top of the forums. So you go in to see what's available and in every thread it's the same mess of the same posts. It's a headache and just totally redundant.

We'd still have a sea of threads of promotion, but if it's single-title based, we won't have the issue of duplicates, and instead of having to scour a post full of a billion promos for anything interesting, we can more easily scroll thread titles for interest.

I don't know if anyone here is old enough to remember, but I used to work on the forum code for GaiaOnline.

That was a nightmare.