If you could flag those for me when you see them, I'll happily take a look. I try to see them but must have missed them.
I always like your threads and think they're very useful, but this one was simply a topic that we typically avoid. I hope you didn't take offense and I'm glad you're not feeling depressed.
Well, it's not only for your sake. It's for other people's sake too. Including mine, because I also like to whine and discuss edgy things. 
I repeat once more, if you didn't bother to read it the last time.
DOKI TOLD THAT SHE CAN'T REFER TO HOTLINE, NEITHER TO HER FAMILY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE HER, NEITHER TO FRIENDS.
AFTER IT, RATIQUE TOLD EXACTLY "REFER TO HOTLINE, FAMILY AND FRIENDS".
This is the problem.
Yes, I have read it and completely understand what you are saying, but I am also saying that doesn't matter. I think she has said literally the same lines in other similar threads. It's probably the most she is authorized to say. She has no obligation to give any type of medical advice beyond that and she should not.
I understand. ^^; It's just that I see people using my name, and my reasoning, and while those are all valid points I just want it to be understood that I'm not really a victim here. At least, not any more than anyone else is.
Maybe if you didn’t scream, people would listen to you. Instead of losing your damn mind, calmly explain your reasoning, and maybe people will be more willing to listen to what you have to say.
A topic like this isn't just visited by the OP but by many others as well - when we send these responses, they're often not just for the OP but also for others that may be triggered by the topic. While I understand that you find my response unfitting, no offense was meant and it seems a little blown out of proportion.
Well. I'm glad if you didn't take it too personal and upset. I'd be furious for such boorishness. I'm already furious even if it was not addressed to me.
Sorry if I bothered you by making so much noise. Just as I said, this problem is wider than just your case, in my opinion. But if you'll tell me to stop this topic, I'll stop reply here.
True. Personally, here's my thing -- would this forum be the place for that? The one where every other thread is drowned out by "sub 4 sub" threads and "promote your x comic" threads?
Moreover, if we look at the replies so far, has this new thread really helped the situation?
I can only speak for myself, so this is only my feeling. But so far, I'm not seeing the good outcome of this.
If you still don't understand or pretend to not understand.
A person explained in a long post, why she can't do X.
You told in response exactly: "Do X".
She told why she doesn't...
Doki told that replies were interesting. And it any case, it doesn't justify what was told and made with this topic.
Ask @DokiDokiTsuna . I think it will be fair to do as she'll say.
Well no, I don't you need to change it. You didn't put that response there for @Dokidokitsuna in specific, but for the members of the forum in general right?
See this is the problem with really touchy subjects like this. We have to remember that while yes this is a Fourm where people do sub 4 sub its also a place were we can find people to critique works. It is a place where discussion can happen, it is in itself a community. And if someone ANYONE feels like they can benifit more by reaching out to there community over professionals (whom many people ive talked to either have trust issues for or have had horrible awful experiences with in the past). Then its hard to be completely against the idea of allowling people to reach out even if its clamed as unorthodox.
Yes drama has happened but to act like drama dosnt happen every day for the smallest of things is putting everything in this fourm out of perspective. >I< for one am at least glad that I got to see Rat's response to what happened because I can at least feel like she is actively available when these things happen. I understand that she can only say so much but maybe in retrospect it may have been better to simply close the thread saying that it isnt within guidelines rather then also ad to go talk to professionals, in a thread talking about not being comfortable talking with professionals
im sorry if that seems rather center for you but i am hoping to get both sides to understand one another, people are worried about getting triggered seeing the post but clearly at least one person got triggered by the post being closed, its sadly not something that has a winning side. its why Id like everyone to understand that it was a bit scary to see and people wanted to respond to it, Now people can either get over it now that the laundry has been put out or they can continue to brew, but at least everything has been said and we have a better understanding of the rules and conduct.
I can understand why you're very upset, but I can also understand why we have to indicate where certain discussions are permissible--not that they're unimportant in any way, but that they aren't allowed here, in this webcomic forum for very serious reasons. Mental health is a huge problem right now with the Covid stress, and shouldn't be disregarded in any way, but the issue with the internet is we don't see the whole person on the other side of the screen (even in this instance, I think we're putting words in doki's mouth that were never intended).
There is no answer here in this forum for suicide in the same way that you don't go to this webcomic forum for a broken bone or a heart attack--this is a very serious, life-threatening condition, and you can't just magically talk to a friend on Tapas until it gets better.
We've had quite a few threads in the past that veered into mental health territory that went very speculative--and we gotta be careful about the discussions we have here. We have to moderate when it can trigger life-threatening thoughts.
Sometimes a group is not equipped to help itself. There are so many walking wounded in this forum. Angry people, depressed people, people who work in bakeries. Expecting us to come together as a community can be like gathering a bunch of mental patients and saying, "Nutters, heal thyselves!"
Knowing the nature of Doki's previous threads I understood the topic was more of a discussion piece and was a little sad to see it close, but I understand why it was. Depression and suicide are sensitive topics, most people don't want to even think about them let alone openly talk about them. Also stuff like that, even when layered with warnings, can still encourage someone with depression to attempt/commit suicide. As much as I like getting into those tough details myself, being someone who enjoys Psychology, it's definitely a topic you need to present very carefully and know that it most likely won't be taken well by the majority of people.
I do think a general response from Ratique would have been better, like "For anyone having suicidal thoughts, please contact your country's suicide prevention hotline, or seek out professional and familial support", but they probably didn't know the nature of Doki's post at the time. It's understandable why they would think Doki is seeking out help from the community rather than presenting discussion.
Either way it was an interesting thread to read. If there are a good number of people out there interested in discussion stuff like that from a psychological, philosophical and/or writer standpoint maybe someone out there could make a Discord server for it in the future?
Sure thing, let's give it a try. Now, after two days passed, I'll not "scream" anymore.
During > 1.5 years of participation, I made exactly 100 topics on this forum. And I have to notice, that 70-75% of threads were related either to art (including art competitions which I hosted), or to writing (including discussion of tropes), or to Tapas website (including tech issues reports).
(I estimated it approximately by quickly re-checking the list of my threads).
And during the whole these 1.5 years, I created only
1 (one)
topic with outcry about the way, in which another discussion was shut down (pay attention: I didn't make such topics when a couple of my own threads were closed, because I didn't find them so important).
And it's only
1 (one)
topic where I wrote the same paragraph with CAPSLOCK for several times.
1 from 100.
Which means something.
The topics of loneliness, depression and suicide are very relevant to me.
I had one relative, who did it, and one close friend, who did it. And, of course, I myself literally fought with my own suicide thoughts during long periods (months, years) because of life issues and serious mental illness. So I know very well, what I'm talking about.
And what I know even better, is that finding a good therapist, who will really be able to help, is not always easy and quick task. Maybe you'll be lucky and find them instantly. But maybe you'll have to go through the long way until you'll find a doctor, who'll be able to help - especially if your case is complicated. And during all this road, full of anxiety, doubts, disappointments with bad doctors, who sometimes make things worse - a person need support of other people. And I know very well, that during this time, sincere support of any person, of any living soul - even if it's not a doctor and not even a close friend, will matter.
And know what? Even when you have a good therapist, they can't be here for you every time when you need support. Their services are costly, they have a queue of patients... for example, I sometimes have to wait for 2 weeks before getting to my doc.
Things about hotlines are even more sad... for example, read comments under this article1. Look at contrast between the article itself and comments of people. In the article they write, how hotline must be in imaginary ideal world. And under it people write, how it is in reality, and how they ended up even more hurt and desperate after contacting it.
After it, maybe you'll understand, why people hesitate to refer to it. Even if there is a little chance, that it'll help, there is also a big chance, that it'll make things worse.
But of course, people, who say "find doctor, contact hotline", don't think about it. They obviously just repeat this like a mantra to take off the responsibility from themselves. Without giving a shit, what will really happen with person when they'll do it.
I wrote all above just to prove that it's not a silver bullet.
To explain a motivation, a reason, why people not always do it, and not always can get help from it. Why they may want to know, what to do otherwise.
And here we are.
Now look: here is me. The other. A creator (even if small), a reader and passionate supporter of many other creators, and, as was told above, a person, deeply personally touched by problems of loneliness, depression and suicide.
I visited this topic, and it didn't trigger me. But:
these are things which triggered me instead. In fact, it hit me harder than any other event, happened at this forum ever.
Of course, with my background, I was interested to read that discussion. Because even despite now I'm feeling good enough to be far from it, I understand very well, that some day I may return to such state and end up in such situation, too, so it was very relevant.
Here is me. A person, who's interested in what to do, if one doesn't see sense in contacting your country's suicide prevention hotline, can't reach family and doesn't have friends.
And here you write:
"Please contact your country's suicide prevention hotline and reach out to your family and friends if you're feeling unwell."
I visited this topic to exactly find out, what to do in the situation when I can't or don't want to... and here it is.
I can easily imagine, how exactly such inhuman answer can kill somebody who came to see an answer on the question.
And here I see all these people who support this unimaginable cruelty...
I'm done here.
Of course, I will finish the current contest, give promised awards and draw OC I promised in "draw OC" topics (when I'll be morally prepared to finally finish it, bc now I don't have energy for this). But aside of this, I don't have plans to actively participate in this forum anymore.
P.S. And yes, if even, by the chance, a fear of legal issues explains closing itself, it still can't explain, neither justify this inhuman final message before closing.
