What is your opinion on Generative AI?

[Lensing]

I´ll never give up until I die, I have been making music and drawing since 41 years,
first live concert in 1983 and that was also the year I started drawing.

I always fight my way through but I´m also a realist, there is no banding together

[VibrantFox]

well i guess that just makes me the irritating optimist coz that mindset sounds draining and lonely but if its your path good luck

[thepenmonster]

i hate the defeatist mindset that keeps cycling around

Writers and actors went on strike just this past year and instead of showing solidarity the public lost their shit because their TV shows got delayed.

At it bloodiest, the labour movement was only fought by the people most affected. Everyone else thought the protestors were being inappropriate.

The American state of Oklahoma passed a law that protects anyone who drives down a protestor blocking traffic.

Those are just a few examples. It'd be great if the public would show some sort of solidarity for their peers. Even the truth that labour's win is also their win does not sway them. The public simply can't be trusted to show good judgement, and that means their politicians are even more selfish, cruel and stupid.

It's sensible to see all fights for societal improvement as small scale and largely futile because history shows this to be the norm.

[Lensing]

What is the optimistic message?

My optimistic message is that I have found my niche and that kids still love to draw with pencil
and paper and that I found a way to keep on making music. I achieved that through my hard
work and made the impossible possible. There was no banding toether involved

[UrMom]

Pff it's like with the US elections. The average person would rather believe the news at face value than dig deeper and do research, or directly watch the full campaign speeches from both parties. Studying is too poopy!

Admittedly I don't care as much about Gen AI as the mass majority of artists, but it's because I'm using optimistic nihilism for survival. If I weren't bogged down by two jobs and 4 hours of sleep during the work week, housework, pet care, I probably would have time to care more, since my stuff can get stolen too. (Probably has, wouldn't be surprised.) Still, I do understand the fears and hatred everyone else has, especially artists whose livelihoods have been threatened thanks to AI.

[VibrantFox]

youre talking to a black woman who lives in the southern us if you think i'm ignorant to reality by way of blind optimism then thats quite the assumption to make. i'm not ignorant to any of these realities or the consistent lynchings the recent murders or anything else going on. i'm actively following the animation guilds ongoing strike loosely kept track of what was going on with actors and have been painfully aware of the realities of my own personal struggles but the simple fact is despite it all i'd like to try and hold onto some kind of hope that maybe just maybe shit can get better but if i'm going to have to deal with people still talking down at me perhaps it'd be in my best interest to forgo speaking here in general permanently

[Lensing]

I understand everyone who´s livehood is in danger, I´m struggling and dealing with this all my life,
but topics like this just show me how people don´t care about other creative fields and only start
caring when they are affected

[navf86]

While generative AI may assist in writing / proofreading / coding or other areas, when it comes to creativity (writing, art or animation), I am completely against the notion of using computer-generated ideas that (at least in part) replace human creativity.

Example: while AI might help artists / webcomic artists generate stories, the stories would feel off at some point because they lack the intricacies of human emotion. Instead of leveraging AI, I rather like the idea of writers/ artists racking their brains and coming up with stories that show pure human brilliance and the full creative credit goes to the human.

I myself rarely use AI. And I do hate it when AI generates 'art' by pulling and amalgamating various patterns from real artists.

[thepenmonster]

perhaps it'd be in my best interest to forgo speaking here in general permanently

I usually just block people when I see continued interaction as pointless. But that option isn't available here so walking away is a valid option IMO. Good luck with your next message board.

[UrMom]

Ho yeah! It's like that with almost everything, the average person genuinely doesn't care about suffrage unless they're the one suffering. Or at least most are oblivious and ignorant to it until they're suffering, it's an animal instinct thing that requires rewiring/empathy training to get out of your system. Not saying our species is apathetic, by default we have SOME empathy, but educated empathy takes effort... sometimes through experience, unfortunately.

[tacticalglasses]

Did you stop ordering from amazon because of how they treat their workers, and not allowing to unionize though? Stopped buying clothes and brands made from sweatshops in some third-world country? Are you going to stop from using social media because they're using AI to code, replacing jobs, and scrape all your posts for training data?

Sure, some people may have switched away from Adobe products because of the AI controversy. I personally switched out from them ages ago ever since they went subscription, after v6- early CS days. I made my choice, but that doesn't mean I haven't acknowledged that they're the industry standard still, and that the tools am currently using are niche products in comparison. A lot of people are mad over Adobe's stance on AI but are still using their suite instead of taking the time to learn the alternatives.

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Am just being a realist. Most people say they'll the fight the good fight, but like everyone else, they don't have the strength of their convictions… especially when it inconveniences them.

It's amusing to expect that strangers and society in general will change, when they themselves can't even sacrifice the things they use.

[KevinReijnders]

[KennethLopezJr921]

Personally, I'm really split between fearing ai and not taking it seriously. I feel the only 'impressive' thing AI has done is generating art. As an artist, I morally cannot support ai art in anyway due to the potential for companies to phase out real artist with crap that looks pretty to the untrained eye, but I will say it is impressive that ai can do that. Outside of that, I feel like AI is more of a fad, hyped up by tech evangelists and Silicon Valley as THE MOST REVOLUTIONARY THING TO OUR SOCIETY, when in reality it wont really add anything in the long run. Like, whenever I hear that statement, I always go back to stuff like Google's Gemini which they've shunted into their search engine (and honestly have made it worse), which tells you to use non toxic glue to keep cheese on pizza, drink you're own urine to pass a kidney stone quickly, or that Sandy Cheeks from SpongeBob died by unliving herself and was found with cocaine in her bloodstream by the Johannesburg Police Department.

Now I'm probably missing stuff that AI does that could actually benefit our society in a way that doesn't fuck over workers but in my opinion, I see AI as nothing but a trend that companies are trying so hard to push on us as being the "next big thing" but in reality only appeals to those who are obsessed with tech. Like with NFTS a couple of years back. And in regards to AI art, I really do think that stuff should be regulated in someway so that all artists aren't out of a job, because it does have the potential to screw us over. But in order for that to happen, its up to us artists to make sure these companies don't try anything funny

[daeygurart]

jfc i didn't know about my state passing that law wtf

[BoomerZ]

It's a little more nuanced than being able to just run over protestors....

[joannekwan]

Reminder to stay on topic!

[RedLenai]

I won't use AI, simply because it tends to farm content from writers and artist that didn't consent to their works being used/modified. I consider it copyright infringement, violation to the preservation of a work, and completely untrustworthy since it farms mostly from the internet indiscriminately at the point of commiting incest with itself.
If I want to generate ideas, I simply connsume media: Books, movies, cartoons, music, comics, art forms from other, real artists.

If I want a proofreader, I hire one
If I want an artist, I hire one (I'm the artist)
If I want a writer, I hire one (Tho, I'm dating one)
If I want a musician, I hire one

While I don't hate it, my ideal is that if you want to use AI, you have to feed it, be it drawing or creating from the software, so you are the model who has to craft IRL in said program so you can later use it.
Like filming yourself drawing and then using said video for promotional, educational, register all in one and its just yours.

I prefer the content I use belongs to either me or the person I've hired, I don't want to deal with lawsuits, DMCA claims or similar.

[DasIstWunderblyat]

While it is still fresh

We also want to be clear in our belief that the categorical condemnation of Artificial Intelligence has classist and ableist undertones, and that questions around the use of Al tie to questions around privilege.

Remember guys to repent for the privilege of being able to create art by yourself; for the sins of disrespecting the creativity-deficient and disciplinary-challenged. Let the blood of our dying body cleanse the earth so it is ready to be transformed by the machine and its benefactors.

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Personally I think genAI has a potential to help people (not only artist), but of course not in the way it is implemented and regulated now.

[Calculus_Homework]

Generative AI is dehumanization and the degradation of culture and thought, simplifying complexity and watering down nuance into... well, nothingness and meaninglessness.

Maybe it should be called Degenerative AI hahaha... ha.... get it?

Food for thought:
https://www.tiktok.com/@eleanor.stern/video/7410457972779846942?_r=1&_t=8pSMFpFwXTW

(I would've sent the article link, but I don't subscribe to the New York Times. She narrows down a few points that Chiang makes, so I think it was good enough points to get across. Also... I don't have tiktok--a friend sent me this--and now I'm not allowed to view this anymore. lol)

[mayfieldmichael]

So I hate when people use it to completely do the work for them. HOWEVER, I am an artist and writer, so I love to use these platforms to help give me ideas, but once i start the work it is all my own. Every brush stroke, every line in my writing.

I also use writing AI just to help double check my spelling/sentence structure but that’s about it.

I think it is really unfortunate to writers and artists when people use AI as their own work, because it diminishes the actual effort that is put into something.

edit when I say I use it for ideas I mean like if I need to draw a riverbed, but I’ve never drawn one before, i might ask AI to show me some fantasy River beds. It helps me to see how something like that might be drawn and then I can incorporate some of the ideas (like maybe how the leaves are drawn) into my own work.