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Hello, y'all,

You know that stiff wooden doll in all arts and crafts shops that's promoted as that tool all artists have and use because it's always shown in photos with artists? Yeah, you know the one. IDK about y'all but to my kid self, that mannequin was the tool that would take my status as an artist to the next level, so I had to have it. I saved up my little change and bought one from a local shop and couldn't wait to put it to use. Yeah so about that... I tried to make the thing sit and it barely could bend over. Talk about disappointment. Admittedly mine was a cheaper version, but even the pricier ones tend to be lacking and just make me go... "But why...?" I couldn't bring myself to throw it out, so I kept it around for years as a paperweight before forgetting about it when I moved out of my Ma's place.

As I developed as an artist, I've come to find that figure drawing form real life is the bees-knees and really makes a world of difference, but sometimes you just don't have time (or want to) do a photoshoot with someone to get a quick pose that you need, that's when I heard about using a Made to Move Barbie4 while listening to the webcomic creators podcast Dirty Old Ladies3 (not for children as some of the hosts create adult content, but they are a wealth of information as all 3 have different levels of engagement in making comics and are super insightful.) As soon as I heard Amanda describe the multi-joint action of the Made to Move line and that there is a plus-size version6 (she thick, not fat FYI [a girl can dream though, one day]), I was like OK-Then, lemme go look this up. I found both of mine at Target1 for about 15$ a piece.

For 15$ whole a$$ bucks you can get a figure with some facial features, hair, clothes, and 10x more mobility than the 15$-50$ wooden figures. The joints bend, the head moves, and this barbie line can sit upright on her own. They are so darned handy and I've been slowly building a pose folder of pics to refer to later when I'm "modeling" them (Yeah I know I'm just playing around, but so XD).

While I was playing around with my two made-to-move gals, my fiance went to his bookcase and pulled down his mad crazy intricate, and expensive limited edition Venom and Spiderman figures (They are from the Square Enix Marvel Universe and Kai Arts line so the ones we have can only be found from secondary places now, but this is the official store and they have others. Some are from games and anime too.1) and started to play with me.

I laughed at first, but have since kidnapped his figures as they are just as flexible as the Barbies and offer different body types for me to work with. I wouldn't recommend buying them to use as art figures as they are collector's items and pretty expensive, but if you happen to have some already, give them a go haha! They've been in the house for years, but I never would have thought to use them if my darling hadn't pulled them from the shelves first.

Anywho, you guys have any wood mannequin alternatives you'd like to share, or do you like and use the old wooden folks? I'd love to see and sure others would too :D!

TLDR: Check out Made to Move Barbies for more modeling for your buck as an artistic reference tool or the more controversial collectors figures if you prefer action figures with the same range of motion. Do you use the old wood models or prefer another method?

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ehh, Sadly I don't have any Wooden Mannequin or Mannequins in general :cry_01:
but I do use models on the internet a lot more recently which helps me get by

If thats what helps ye and it is easy than you do you! :grin: Whatever comes thru as easy than yes :v:.|ā€¢Ķ”Ė˜ā€æā€¢Ķ”Ė˜|.:v:

Figure drawing sites are awesome too! I've used a number of them for improving my people drawing skills. Just need to keep working on backgrounds too haha!

Indeed, though I like to say "Practice makes you better bc perfection is overrated lol.:" Same sentiment though XD.

I always thought that the wooden mannequins are for decoration.
I use reference pictures from the internet, figurosity and I bought various pose sets.
I have some skulls for sketching and I have some other body mannequins that I honestly
never used because they are stiff in a way and not one of them looks like a natural pose

Ooooh, that's a neat idea! :open_mouth: Never liked wooden mannequins, lol. I have one sitting on my shelf, but that's pretty much all he does: sitting on the shelf and collecting dust XD

For pose references, I got myself a Bodykun + Bodychan and they're pretty useful, though definitely more expensive than a Barbie, at least where I live. I also got myself a Vindoll13... not specifically for drawing, BUT it does make for a very nice mannequin if you want to. It has a more realistic body, it's light despite its size and very easy to pose. Sadly, only the male body is available as of now and the whole thing is pretty damn expensive. I got one because I loved Granado's resin dolls and one of his Vindolls had the same face sculpt as the doll I wanted for half the price... honestly, if I had to buy it solely as a mannequin, I don't think I would have bought it XD there is a Vindoll frame8 that costs a lot less, though! Being only a frame, it's not as realistic as the full doll, but... for pose references, I think it could work pretty well? :open_mouth:

So so true. They usually wind up just becoming for decoration, bc they are way too unyielding to get any practical use out of them in my experience. I would actually like to get a nice skull to reference. I'd think I would have one by now, but surprisingly I don't...

I know right! Though the Made-to-Move line definitely upped the Barbie posing game bc the base Barbies are mad stiff too lol. Yeah, it would probably be fun to see how many folks have one and do nothing with it, and then turn it into a dress-up contest or something haha!

I've been wanting both of those Body figures but hadn't gotten them bc of the price. The cheaper ones I've seen aren't that decent quality and tend to be tiny. Ooohh Vindolls huh? I opened that link and get all kinds of nice dude boob in my face haha. They look like they have tons of detail and customization purposes and like I want one of 3 of my male characters, but he would be for cabinet over the art dek haha! The frames look straight up Terminator, but I def can see the potential bc they are flexible.

Thanks for the links!

Nopes. I used both wooden mannequins and jointed dolls but all they are too stiff and don't make natural poses. Digital mannequins are much more flexible and easy to work with.

Check out this online version: https://justsketch.me/11

And if you're into that seriously, just use DAZ: https://www.daz3d.com/10

(both resources are free)

Reminds me of how brother has a big collection of action figures in his room. Sometimes I'll walk in there and he'll pose them in funny ways or even have whole scenes in his book case. One day might take a picture and draw themXD

Currently I like to use the Magic Poser app, which I like since you can add props too.

But before I used to make my own mannequins. I got a template from a figure drawing book which, didn't really have nice things to say about the wooden ones XD

I feel you. I remember trying to make my own 3D models, but it was way too time consuming for a quick ref so I gave up, but that would be the best!! The SIMS used to get me pretty close though posing them wasn't the easiest.

I actually find posing digital mannequins to be quite nightmarish tbh. Every time I try to do it the camera gets swung around somewhere random and then trying to arrange joints with a mouse makes my eyes cross, so I find it neat when there are folks who just do it with ease haha.

Just sketch looks pretty darn neat, Imma have to play around with it!

Thanks for sharing!

Yoooo these are pretty fly. Idk why it never occurred to me to try and make my own haha!I love these boxy folks!!

I have magic poser on my phone, but I just think I'm 3d challenged bc making poses in their makes my eyes cross, but that's most 3d figure apps DX.

I've been wanting to get my hands on the Body Kun type models, but there are SO MANY bootlegs of these out there I cant trust it. I think I'll stick with 3-D models for now.

I've seen quite a few and they aren't nearly as intricate (and also super tiny) so yeah you gotta watch it.

I use the 3D models that come with Clip Studio Paint. The best thing about those is you can customize them for just about any body type.
(Though I did shell out the cash to commission someone to make a 3d model of my main character. )

There's a few 3d model pose apps out there though, like @alliascompany mentioned, Magic Poser is one of them.

I think the closer it is to human anatomy and proportion, the better it is. However, I am the type to use whatever I can get my hand to without paying an extra money; if I only can afford a free poser app, I'll work with it. That's why I have people in my basement.

That's what's up, ClipStudio is loaded with mad crazy helpful tools, I just switched to Procreate bc I'm on tablet more and didn't want to deal with the sub fee. On pc though, yasssss.

Having a 3d model of your character made is baller!! Does the person that made yours still do model commissions?

hahahah, that works too. I've been known to call up friends and ask them to model for me at the park for references. That and bother my sister and fiancƩ (specifically for hands).

I use these little Figma figures I found on ebay. I think they were about $25 at the time? Pretty good range of motion for plastic figures, and they come with little stands and alternate hands/feet and a set of tiny guns.

Lately tho I've been eyeing the more expensive Ficen seamless figures on Amazon, wondering if I really want to drop $70-$100 on a fancy anatomy figure. I don't think they were originally created to be artist tools, but they're pretty perfect from what I can tell. I imagine their arms would fall off less than the figma figures cause there'd be skin holding them together.

Also, having multiple art diciplines is dope af, and I highly recommend it. I'm a game artist by trade, so 3d models are my bread and butter. If I design something complicated for my comic (which is often) I'll often just whip up a rough block out for it as an internal reference. Plus, printing it out on a 3d printer makes a custom little model that's constantly at my fingertips for tough subjects, or things I really want to keep consistent, like Savina's horns, or various weaponry / ships.

Blender is a good free piece of software if you're looking at getting into this kind of thing.

I have both the male and female Phicen figures, which are pretty solid heavy-duty construction. They weigh quite a bit compared to a Barbie doll. The only problem is that the "skin" is starting to wear on the elbows, though I am pretty rough with them. It is nice though, you can usually get them into a good standing/kneeling position and they will hold if they are balanced.

Oh nice! A real honest review, thank you! How long did it take for the skin to start to wear down? How's the range of motion? Can you lift the knees up to the chest?

One of my old art teachers used to use a posable Spiderman action figure as a pose reference, and when I started doing the same thing it seriously was a life saver. I pretty much only use it for perspective, but it's a great tool. I didn't know they made articulated Barbies, I might have to spring for one since that's closer to most of the body types I draw.

i tend to default to magic poser's app and website whenever im in need of a 3D pose reference. i could also use CSP's base character model's but ive yet to figure out how it actually works :sweat_smile:

I think I've had them for a couple of years now.


It's tearing on both elbows on my figure.



Some examples of range of motion. There's a warning that comes with it to not overextend the joints, so I try not to get too crazy with them.

What I was interested in was the fact that the skin folded and stretched. I didn't believe the photos so I had to look up some review videos to see it in action, and it does look and feel really nice. I think there are figures out there that have a better range of motion, just depends on what you want in a figure.

When I was researching these figures I also found a blog reviewer for just these types of figures.


But honestly, I still use photo reference for mostly everything; my figures are used as a last resort when I just can't get what I want from photos.

This channel has some videos on how to use CSP's 3D models, it's been a life saver, and he's got several.

and this channel has an entire playlist of videos for using them as well.

I have a wooden mannequin I named Sheldon. I never used him for posing though because his joints never really bent properly so I just have him on my desk as decoration. These days I just use Clip Studio and sketch over its 3D models which helps me set the scene and saves time.

I dont have the patience to figure Blender out for the world- same with SketchUp to a certain extent.

MagicPoser for your phone is also pretty great if you got a weird ass pose you can't really take a photo of--you have to compensate for the render of the 3d program kinda distorting stuff, but it's easy to set up and doesn't involve learning a 3d program.

I have some skulls, I can recommend getting the one from Proko, it costs 80$ but itĀ“s worth it, you can put it on a tripod and itĀ“s the perfect
size so can hold it in your hand easily and turn it around and you can even open and close the mouse which works with 2 magnets attached
to it. In general I think itĀ“s good to have anatomy pictures hanging around everywhere, so you can look at it often and remember it.
ItĀ“s the next thing I do, I order some to hang them in my house. I would love to have a human skeleton model, future plans :smiley:

I just have a crazy amount of figure reference kicking around on my computer. :sweat_02:

I also have ArtPose on my iPad, for those rare occasions where I can't just find a good figure ref, and I'm having a hard time drawing from memory.

oh, now that's neat haha! 3d printing has really upped the prop replication game too, just wow. Those figures look nice and having a stand is about the only thing extra I think I'd want for my figures for more dynamic poses.

The Phicen figures look nice, but you right that's an investment. True that lol, fleshy bits keep the insides inside, though I imagine a dislocated joint looking wild on one of those figures. Horn and weapon references for the win bc they change so much in perspective.

I really want to get better with 3D, It just makes my eyes cross whenever I try and work in it. Do you have a program or place you recommend learning how to do some 3d modeling?

Perspective is what I find these figures mad crazy useful for too! I recently learned about the Made-to-Move Barbie line so I'm not surprised. I was just as shocked bc I just remember them being stiff popsicle dolls lol.

That's what's up! At least Sheldon has a purpose as your desk guardian haha!

Yeah ClipStudio has really changed the game for digital artist!!