Would you forgive him?

[silverraven0]

The matter of forgive and not is actually not really in my hand.

If I'm gonna say something, I'll say that I was in the neutral about it.

And coincidentally, around a week ago, there a viral video of a kid throwing a puppy for a crocodile to eat and no, its no hoax, although I'm not clicking the video.

They say that the peoples around that area is used to throw chickens or something for the crocodile to eat for sometimes now, and the kid probably just following suit. If i have to blame someone for it, I'll blame the cameramen and the lack of supervising of the parents.

But really, who am I? I'm not a saint, ant neither do the guy who torture the poor animal.
He have his problem, and I do too.

We never knew what he's been through in his life to become that twisted.

We're just a random human on the internet that judges peoples out from a video that gave no much information about him. Just a video about an animal torture.

[silverraven0]

Btw, if you were wondering about my morality, I say that I don't want to hurt living creature, but I'm not the person who have that much attachments with them, so I really have some problem in that area.

[LordVincent]

I think we need to create a couple of huge distinctions here.

Forgiving a person is one thing. If a person improves properly, then forgiving them is only reasonable. Partly for your own sake (many people forgive others without them even deserving it, simply because rage is a horrible feeling to have to carry and it is generally recommended to learn to forgive for your own sake) and partly because it's the rational thing to do.

Forgiving a person's actions is another. The actions that have been committed here are unforgiveable for the rest of eternity. Animal torture in and of itself is unforgivable.

In a third note, whether you forgive someone or not, harrassing and attacking them is never justified.

[dawgofdawgness]

I dunno, why was this guy torturing animals in the first place? Obviously it’s a horrible and immoral thing to do, but maybe he has some mental problems or he’s had a bad childhood.
I think I would forgive him. Nobody should be treated like garbage if they’re trying to change their ways.

Obviously I’m biased here, though. If it were a child rapist who was being treated like garbage on the street, I would say eh. He deserve it 3000%.

[ratique]

It doesn't really matter if I would forgive him. It's not like he did harm to me or my pet, so there isn't really much I could forgive.

Judging, that I can do however. And torture is one of those things that I and most others judge very harshly. It is one of those things that humanity is based on.

You can't really stop judging a person and their actions. You may be able to accept them and move past them. Or you simply can't. In this case, I could not move past it. I would avoid this person at all cost.

Never mess up your reputation, everyone! When it's ruined, it's usually ruined for good.

[Vanesalisa]

nope he knows the consequence on doing that so he has to walk with it and the damage has been done
unless he may change for the better redeem himself by taking care of animals or something I would forgive if not then no

[SpavVy]

As someone who lost my beloved pet mouse because another person wanted to throw it against the wall for shits and giggles when I was a kid the answer is NO.

[A-weird-girler]

No. Fuck no. If anyone tortures anything be it animal or human I will always be against it.

[A-weird-girler]

Oh wait two years? Maybe but only if they have truly changed

[IdiotWithPencil]

as a guy who has a dog and loves animals.... give him 2 more years in hell your honor
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after that I might MIGHT think about forgiving him

[eleoza]

I'm vegan and a huge animal lover. I think all animals deserve love and respect.
Animal abuse is probably the thing I hate the most.

But I'm also a very forgiving person, so I'd think after 2 years it's been enough for the guy, if he's sorry and realizes he was wrong and betters his life helping animals instead, I personally would forgive him.

[indagold]

I mean if this person was super close friend or partner I knew and was very close to i'd have a lot of mixed emotions... a stranger? I don't think I would care. I don't know who he is or anything about him to really feel anything? There's so many people in the world I couldn't really show pity on someone like that. I'd give them advice see a goddamn therapist and realize you have some serious fucked up issues, never own a pet or have a child and change your name/location so the harassing will stop but I wouldn't really forgive them or pity them. At most give them advice to somehow change as a person, though I doubt that type has empathy if it was premeditated and people like that always are repeat offenders. Most I can do is hope this person gets treatment.

[Kimcchirific]

If he really feels sorry then he should be the one to forgive himself not anybody else and those people who harasses him are no better than him at all. They are only using the sin that one has committed as an excuse to justify their acts of punishing him. people who drown in self righteousness are the ones I despise the most.

but if he come to me asking for my forgiveness then sorry, It's impossible for me. I hate those kind of people. I lost a cat once because of those kind of humans. but also since it is not me whom he tortured, made fun of, left out to die by the hands of their pet dog, I don't think he should be asking my forgiveness. My cat is dead and no amount of forgiveness can bring her back.

[Kann]

I'd forgive him if I knew he changed for the better after that. Harassing someone is bad, but so is animal torture, so I'm a bit conflicted here, though if that person really changed, bringing up something from two years ago to make him feel bad about it makes no sense.

[sushy00]

I would forgive this person if they do not do it anymore. I mean, it has been 2 years.

[LittleMissDevil]

Animal torture is a line, you do not cross and I would not want to socialize with anyone, who had done something so horrific. And making a video of it to show around makes it even worse. It's not just a little mistake or "not knowing better" but willingly doing harm to another being for ones own amusement and probably wanting to brag about it, considering the person made a video. People can change, yes, but unless we are talking about a person of my inner social circle (in real life), who might get another chance somewhere down the line, I just wouldn't want to put in the effort to see, if the person is worth my attention again (for example youtubers). I personally wouldn't forgive an action like that.

That being said, I don't think it is right to still harass the person after two years. Directly after the incident it is somewhat understandable (though still wrong in my opinion), but tearing down someones life is never ever right.

[lunaartemisasama]

Yes. As long as he is really sorry and did things in order to help himself such as donating to animal organizations and going to the psychologist because there was something clearly wrong in his head. And he is truly sorry.

I really don't care too much about animals but I think it is pretty stupid to torture livings beings in order to get views, and also twisted,

On the other hand some people do weird things for the sake of art, I still remember my Vienna Actionism class (and I wish I didn't lol) and also bullfighting is still legal where I live and some intellectual / upper class people love it so... I think I get the phrase : "The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog". lol

[SleepingPoppy]

There is a difference between “I feel bad about what I did” and “I feel bad that the consequences for what I did made my life so hard”. Would he feel bad and want forgiveness if people weren’t harassing him and making his life hard? There are definitely famous youtubers that do awful things, and it’s only because of the backlash that they give cheep apologies and try to weedle back into the public’s good graces.

I don’t think it’s a matter of forgiveness. I don’t know him or have any connection. I would not trust or want to associate with a person that is capable of doing such a thing. But I also don’t think it’s okay to endlessly harass someone for their past actions.

I would hope he faced appropriate legal ramifications, got/is getting therapy, and has been genuinely working towards being a better person.

[zoonland]

I think that the fact that a person needs hurt others, or something, just to gain some popularity or approval, speaks for itself.
I think that there's nothing more stupid and senseless that have fun at others' expense.
By the way, I wouldn't do any harassment, or abuse, comment, or nothing, not now or in the future... it would mean to be like him (if not worse than him) and give him attention for what he did ( he did the video and share it for that, right? ).
I would simply ignore him and his existence (in the virtual and real world, of course).

[MyOldForumAccount]

I'd forgive him because it's only something in the past. People change and people should realize that. They should also realize that hating something will just get them stuck in the circle of things. If someone believes they should die for their actions, that's negativity and negativity just causes more stress and if someone is that someone who causes more stress just think about their actions. Watch the actions of one who hates, harasses, and assaults 'em. Are the people any better than his action's in the past? For me, people aren't strong if they beat someone down just because of their past doings. People are stronger when they forgive and try to change the person that's performing the wrong doing. Also, smarter than a person who beats them down because heck, if you can change a guy into being the nicest person in the world, then you can change anything.

Anyways, this guy changed into feeling guilt. Guilt is a good emotion to feel after you've done something wrong, but if you feel it for too long, you might feel like destroying yourself. It's not good in that way. Like you said, it's been two years of him suffering. No one deserves to suffer for that long. I mean it.

Other people might argue that, "Oh, he should get tortured because he tortured something else in his past! An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!" but I disagree because one might end up getting revenge and fighting back. What if that guy that hurt the animal gets up and starts to hurt you back after you hurt him so many more times than he hurt the animal? If you realize the circle of revenge and get out of it, the more happier you'll be in life. Also, the more smarter you'll be.

In finality: Forgive and change. You're stronger if you're the type to.

I hope this makes sense.