AI for writing and art

[Freemints30]

I doubt the reduction has anything to do with tech and ai.

And more to do with un controlled, unregulated companies shipping off art jobs (more animation jobs) to areas in the world they can get away with paying a 1 dollar an hour.

I doubt they are disappearing as fast or really suddenly disappearing. Not from what I've seen

I've heard of jasper..

I just seen it made fun of and on all ads just people clowning on it

Honestly I stopped bothering with articles that sucks off tech cys half the time they are poorly researched. Dont telm the full story. axi infinitum

I'm just waiting for it to blow over and this whole thing just be seen as quite silly.

I'm not much an optimistic more a cynical realist

[Lensing]

I tested most of the art & writing AI now and I realized that they are not as well developed as I first
thought. My first impression was good and I was impressed but it gets boring, repetitive and predictable
pretty fast after the first day using them. Maybe they will be further developed in 5 years.
They also censor the content which I understand on one hand but on the other hand it disqualifies it
as creative tool.

Overall first impression: yeah!
Over impression after one day: nay!

[TroyVSTheWorld]

I'm curious where AI art goes. The idea of taking a specific artist's name and using an AI to create works based off that is basically plagiarism, but it kind of begs the question that what of our human understanding is truly unique? Lots of humans try to copy more established artists, are we not plagiarists ourselves when we take from another's style? What makes our experiences so much more superior to theirs? Our concept of time?

AI art is currently something very much to distrust because it's literally just copying and mashing things together, but, that's because it's in a primitive phase. Eventually, AI is going to have to find ways to learn and grow on its own, and when that day comes, well...Artificial Intelligence deserves equal rights.

Instead of pushing AI art try to copy what humans do, why not allow it to create and develop its own culture?

EDIT - I do refer to the AI itself as artists, not the human telling it what to do. Anyone who punches in a prompt is basically just commissioning from the artist.

[Lensing]

Good points and I´m curious too where the journey will take us.

AI is still in the beginning phase but it will be possible to connect human brain cells with AI
and let the brain cells interact with AI and humans interact with it. They trained brain cells to
play pong and I think that this is a big step forward to synthetic brains.
It´s fascinating and also scary.

[BlairFujin]

but it kind of begs the question that what of our human understanding is truly unique? Lots of humans try to copy more established artists, are we not plagiarists ourselves when we take from another's style? What makes our experiences so much more superior to theirs? Our concept of time?

I'd say the main difference is a human actually thinks and understands what they're doing.

I'm writing this as someone with Master's degree in computer science (in interactive media to be more specific) and had some AI classes at uni and whoo boy, has this whole ai art conversation make me realise the difference in understanding of current ai algorithms between someone who's dealt with them vs folks outside of field.

So, ok, let's start with can a computer think - no, it just does simple maths very fast. Can a computer fall in love was a subject on my first ai lecture and the general conclusion is - we're years if not centuries away from having machines think/have emotions on it's own, if ever, cause we'd first need to fully understand how a human brain works and how thoughts form in it.

So what are the ai algorithms actually doing? They're approximating most optimal solution to a mathematical problem. It's just calculations with some randomness added and a function that chooses the best solution from bunch of random ones.

No thoughts, no intelligence, no artist.

[BOMB]

I'd be hesitant to call it theft. Maybe if it was taking images and only changing one or two things I'd agree. Like if it was taking a painting of red grapes and all it changed was the red color to green, or made some other minor change.

But from what I've seen, these Ai generate concepts that are arguably brand new (i say arguably because its possible to get into a semantic argument, and is anything ever completely new now). They do essentially what I was taught in art school, find inspiration and use what's useful or best from it to make something new. That's a watered down version of what they'd say, but you get what I mean.

I don't think it's art theft.

That said, I don't plan to ever use it. It's far too vague and difficult to keep consistent. Besides that, I prefer the feeling of knowing I came up with my ideas in their entirety, or close to it.

[BlairFujin]

The theft takes place not when art is being generated but when pictures are taken without a permission from their creators and included in a database ai is being initially trained on, thus becoming part of the software. It's like using them as a texture in a video game.

[river121693]

I’m of 2 minds about it, mostly negative.

If it’s an accessible tool then there’s a lot of great benefits for folks who do not have the access and time to practice art/ to be creative.

The issue is it’s most likely will just be accessible to tech bros and corporations, and it will alter the role of the artists and the jobs that are available with the “market”. Outside of the market, art is fundamentally healing and fun and people will always want to try the craft of it.

Ultimately it’s not the tech itself right? Just the way that it’s being regulated and who has access to in under capitalism. It’s an issue of labor. The only way to deal with the unethical nature of it (art theft, wages etc) is probably through asking for regulations, unionization etc. Which is tough for artists since we haven’t even been afford more basic labor rights compare to other job fields

[Lensing]

The problem is that the consumer doesn´t care about ethics, they want it fast and they want it for free.
Just look at the music business and streaming and what the average consumer thinks about it

[river121693]

ya, it's even worse for artists because our work is often behind-the-scene and muddled by things like contracts. I mean, we didn't even know about the shitty Webtoon and Marvel CGI artists stuff until recently when creators risked their livelihood to speak up.

[Lensing]

Musician in 2022 is the worst.
I used to have a recording studio and I was a touring
musician. Both jobs don´t exist anymore. I could do
it as a hobby but it´s an too expensive hobby

[bloodstained.skies]

It helps me when I don't have idea how to design something. For example I want to draw "a big space station with tall, silver towers and huge gardens" but I can't visualise it so I use AI to gather my thoughts and ideas. Then I draw the rest by myself. I recommend "Nightcafe"

[TroyVSTheWorld]

I recommend "Nightcafe"

I forgot all about this site! I've still got a whole bunch of old prompts up on that site before I got into comicking. I liked trying to make it do weird, abstract/psychedelic robot stuff, and I realize with my 42 credits I could mess around with these a lot. I liked using the word 'radical' in my prompts. Radical Wonderland seems like it could inspire at least something in someone.

Funny enough, looking through some of these auto-prompts, I see a lot of artist names and I can actually just look up their actual work.

[Lensing]

I copy pasted halve of one of my scripts into some writing AI´s to see if it works and to see the result.
It gave me some really good ideas how I could change the story.
For me it´s nothing else but a fast and efficient way to reference already existing stories and
then rewrite / finetune it.
The memory and logic of the AI will be more developed in the future, you will be able
to feed character information, relationships between the characters etc
and then the AI will create some story ideas to choose from. I would definitely
try it out and I find the thought quite inspiring.
And in the meantime I hope they develope a color flatting AI

[Kelheor]

Funny enough I think they already have a flatting AI! I think quite a few people mentioned the site like this on the forum too. Except the page size was pretty small or something like that. Not really sure how good of a job it was doing, never tried it myself.

[Lensing]

Clip will have that in the future, as well as tools to fix anatomy, proportions, perspective efc.
It´s a personal decision to use that or not. There is a danger of art looking lifeless when
you use too many tools. The same like autotune in music. Modern recordings which
don´t use autotune are the exception. There are many other tools for music production
which all lead to "perfect" examples which sound dead to my ears. And then there are
people who try to add dirt into the productions later on because they realise that it sounds
better. For me this is crazy because I still love to record live, the whole band in one room,
with one microphone. But to each their own. Sorry off topic.

I remember reading something like that and that someone wrote that it didn´t work with
gaps. I tried around with autocolor function in clip and I think it´s one of those functions
like the one where you a reference and it recreates it with a mannequin. It doesn´t really work

[candiedcotton]

You can usually tell when people who aren't too good with anatomy use the models for Clip Studio. I've noticed that a lot lately and it's... weird. It's hard to explain but there's something jarring about it. I think the models are great for reference, but you really gotta understand anatomy to use them effectively.

[Lensing]

I agree, the traced over clip models look stiff, traced pictures look stiff to me too.
They used to trace a lot in the 1950s for those mass production romance comics.
I sometimes trace over poses and then redraw them in my stlye. That´s something
I can recommend to people who use 3d models. It has a lot of advantages,
you learn something, it´s more creative, you can make it dynamic and you can
develop your own style.

[candiedcotton]

Totally agree. And I think part of it is that it looks right-- for a doll-- but looks weird for a real person? Like there's no weight to them or natural creases where there should be.

I've done trace over studies before, but I think that is fairly normal. Like if I'm studying a certain angle to the spine and hips and I can't seem to get it right, I'll run some lines over the reference figure so I can visualize the curve better. Or when I used to study portraits (because for some self-abusing reason I was really into realism) I'd run lines over the major points of interest for the same reason. Just helps for visualizing spaces and angles.

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