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Feb 2020

@everyone This may not be something that webcomic artists find particularly helpful, but I know that wrights, once they get down to the nitty gritty of edits, often have to look at these in detail.

Paragraph structures.

Paragraphs are a visual cue for readers of how information is gathered and how the story flows. Short, sharp paragraphs indicate something moving quickly, or dialogue shooting back and forth. Long paragraphs often show a slowing down, a descriptive scene, or an introspective moment. A reader can intuit just from scanning the page what they are about to read.

Framing: I hadn't actually ever pictured it like that, but now as I think on it, it's a fairly apt metaphor~
Because in essence, it is a structure that supports and highlights the content within it (the art).

Link and Flow: I do consciously try and give good flow to the paragraphs within a given chapter! They're grouped into a chapter for a reason. I've written my fair share of essays in high school and college, and we were taught about their basic structure early on. Extrapolate this to a story and not only do you consider the flow of time and the sequence of actions, but also themes and thoughts. Telling a story shares a lot of similarities to an academic essay, since you're presenting ideas and information to try and persuade or inform the reader in a structured manner.

Length and Tone: I'm not too fussed about the length of paragraphs; I'm more concerned with sentence length and the variations of them within paragraphs. But I do try and keep a look out for paragraphs that may run on a bit long and seek natural breaks so I can divide it up a little. As far as tone and length go, I do find myself naturally falling into a cadence along with the events of the story, so I write shorter sentences in moments of action and longer sentences for slower parts.

Reordering: Yeah I reorder paragraphs all the time! If I think one paragraph drives the point harder after a certain event or bit of dialogue, I will totally move it up ahead of its 'brother' that focuses more on passive reflection. It's just like reorganizing events within a storyline to build up to the climax or deescalate from a big event to get the best and most effective flow.

I'm the worst at paragraph structure. so I'm going to stay quiet on this one and drink in everyone else's advice for possible future attempts at prose stories! :laughing:

I end up focusing too much on the aesthetic aspect of paragraphs and I think I end up making them smaller than necessary to avoid the dreaded wall of text feeling - maybe hesitation born from binging Eldest and Brisingr back in the day. I'll keep an eye out on the responses too!

But speaking of really, really small paragraphs, for any wrights that have played Nier Automata and/or read the short stories from Yoko Taro, what is your opinion on his extra small paragraphs in first person narration? It's a really neat concept though it gives me the feeling it's meant to be read aloud instead of just looked at.

A bit late~
Show Don't Tell
What do you think this advice means?
I see it as showing the readers how the characters act and react, and then let them have their impressions about it. This allows the readers to imagine and complete the picture.

I really like @CodeMonkeyArts and @joannekwan take on this. :smiley:

How do you approach 'showing' things? Describe your process.
Like with the setting, I try to zoom in on the action or facial expressions of the character. But only the ones that have the most impact on the scene or would affect the other characters.

When do you think it's better to just tell the readers information?
It's okay to tell when you're talking about the background or passive parts. Or if there's a time skip.


For the Dialogue, I'm still struggling with this. At the moment, I'm writing through instinct lol. :sweat_smile: I enjoyed reading everyone's answer though. I learned a lot. :smile:


Paragraph Structure
Do you think of your paragraph as a 'frame' to the 'picture'? Or do you not think about it at all?
I don't think about it at all and just go with my guts. Though thinking like that seems interesting. I might try to do that next time.

Do you consciously link your paragraphs together and consider flow?
I do or at least, try to do it during edits. But I also have to consider the flow of the sentences first (I did receive a comment about having 'worst staccato' :sweat_smile:). Then see if they are in the right sequence, and then I'll see if my paragraphs are in the right sequence too.

Do you check that paragraphs are the right length for the tone you're going for?
One of the advice I got when blogging was to keep the sentences and paragraphs short. And they're easier to the eyes. So I tend to do that with fiction too.

I also do what @joannekwan do for the sentences.

Do you ever reorder paragraphs?
Yes! Every single time. I love reorganizing my paragraphs especially if it can make the scene clearer to the reader.

Oooohhh Paragraph structure...hmmm

Do you think of your paragraph as a frame to the picture? Or not at all?
If the paragraph is not simply a line of dialogue, then I do think of a paragraph as a frame to a picture. The fact that my story is a light-novel furthers this since I want to select a pertinent scene in the chapter to depict or relate to an image I create. Thus at the very least a mood needs to be set in the paragraph (or multiple paragraphs).

Do you consciously link your paragraphs together and consider the flow?
Yes. Unless I'm writing something pure stream of consciousness with no order or chronology then everything has to flow together or it's too jarring read. Every single paragraph should have a purpose and relate to the chapter itself. If not then why waste the time? At least that is my opinion.

Do you check if the paragraphs are the right length for the tone you're going for?
Generally yes. If I want to suggest a blunt impact or shock, then a short paragraph is better than a long one. If I want to describe a setting or a long dance sequence, then a longer paragraphs fits better.

Do you ever reorder your paragraphs
Sometimes on my editing/rereading phase, but that doesn't happen too often.

One think I want to add is that when it comes to length of the paragraph or considering the flow, I also take into account the POV character as well. Someone who is flighty or easily distracted may have their POV paragraphs somewhat meandering. Someone who is an intellectual and logical may not have long paragraphs but will have very clear and consistent steps from Point A to Point B to Point C.

I also like contrasting what different characters see and think about similar setting pieces. Sometimes in the same chapter/scene. Thus why I write primarily in Third-person Omniscient. I feel like I'm a little ghost that goes into a character, write out their impressions and then I get out of that character and switch to the other one to get their impressions. I know it can be jarring but I can't help it.

I don't think it's jarring at all, it kinda works better if there's different POVs for large stretches of time! It takes a little more work to not fall into the trap of 'I'll now explain my detailed motivation in my thoughts only" but it's usually pretty enjoyable read imho.

Show Don't Tell | What do you think this advice means?
A story works based on immersion, I think. The more involved your readers are with the world you create, and the more invested they are with the growth of characters, the better. I remember watching this show a long time ago, Boston Legal, I think. James Spader, who leads the show mentions how a jury is more moved by stories and less by fact. It's important to have the jury relate with the story. That they're ordinary people, living their own stories, and not cold mathematicians who can compartmentalize and process clear information. I really connected with that analogy. Telling, when not done right, often comes across as factual and boring. I think that's why it's important to create a balance with immersion.

How do you approach showing things?
Well, I love analogies. I try to work them in to convey a message. For example, "Daiden felt the tension thicken around him, pressured like he was within the depths of an ocean." This is just something off the top of my head. It's a hit or miss sometimes, but I think I've been able to create a decent connect with the way I write. It's still a work in progress. It's the same with emotion. "He trembled with a chill, numb around his fingertips. With a gulp, he cleared the lump in his throat, but felt his chest hollow with every passing second. He could hear it then, his heart, pounding against his chest in maddened frenzy." I tend to lead like this as opposed to simply writing, "He felt fear." Again, just the top off my head.

When do you think it's better to just tell the readers information?
In breaks. I've faced this situation when reading, multiple times, in fact. What tends to happen is, I read and read, I immerse in the description, and then for no reason at all, I sometimes disconnect. I mean, I'm still reading, but I just lose connectivity. I think dialogue, or even simplicity in such situations, ensures that the reader remains involved. It's like a break for the brain.

How do you disguise exposition in your work?
I think my answer to question two answers this one as well.

What do you guys think? :smiley:
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PS: Sorry about lagging so much in this conversation! :open_mouth:

@Everyone I like... fell behind. Sorry about that. The new website UI and a deep edit of a novel opening kicked me in the ass. Im going to restart this tomorrow and adjust the schedule to get us right back on track! In the meantime - how are you all? Are you drinking water and eating vegetables? How has your last week been creatively? What are you working on? Have you accomplished anything (no matter how small) over the last few days you want to share?

Sure, I'm working on my normal comic, finished a page last weekend, putting me ahead on page releases until April.
This Saturday I'm starting a new workflow schedule. Been muddling through everything randomly up until now, and I'm trying to get organized in order to become more productive. It's daunting because I'm not an organized person at all XD

Took part in PitMad, no bites but I got more reblogs than last time which was encouraging! Now I'm looking to query, so I'm prepping for that. If that doesn't go as planned, then I plan to self-publish and hopefully launch an indiegogo to raise part (if not all of) the funds for that.

My last week has not been too bad creatively! I have lagged a bit due to work and exhaustion, but I some lovely artwork done to keep my juices flowing and I signed up for Camp NaNoWriMo coming up in April so I can finally build a backlog.

I have posted my story up on Inkitt as well but I'm also looking at BetaRader.io to see about getting critical feedback for when I start to edit Birth of a Sin more deeply.

I need to get through this next chapter and also finish Insert Art for the chapter I need to post! Ooof the workload at my Day Job is picking up!

That is awesome! I may check out PitMad once I actually finish this book. Hoping Camp NaNoWriMo helps with that

Still working on the comic as usual! Didn't get many "new" achievements other than finishing a picture or a study that I put off for too long, but today I managed to finish some fanart that I was too anxious to get done before! Practicing sketches with minimal polish has really helped me to just get something thumbnailed then finished in the same hour before the impostor syndrome tries anything funny.

Writing wise, there's always the comic script, but I'm holding off on it - I'm way ahead of time as is. Might clean up some other writing projects a bit this weekend, that notebook is literally collecting webs and I need to do something with it.

I completed my prologue! :tapa_pop:

Also I reworked a significant later portion of the script to be more dramatic and satisfying with more stakes and integrating certain key characters better! :smug_01:

Preferred Name: Fray

Pronouns: She/Her

Genres you create: Queer Dark Fantasy with romantic subplots

Where you plan to take your writing journey: E-publishing. I've already monetised works on another platform, and I'd love to include Tapas into my publishing journey.

Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/AWFrasier

Can't wait to chat with you all! :wave:

Well, its not like you're getting paid to keep up with this thread, so there's no harm in taking breaks from it.

I haven't done anything note worthy, just working on pages, trying to find a job and scanning old ones for that book. Still trying to figure out how to get rid of chapter 4 without deleting important info, which as been proving to be a pain in the ass.

No worries. A lot has been happening xD

I can't complain. I should be eating more veggies and having more water though. But I'm surviving :smug_01:

As for creatively, oh boy. So along with my Art assistant work on four Tapas Premium comics, I'm being added as a freelance editor for an upcoming Tapas Original! Kind of nervous and excited :cry_01:. But right now I'm learning more about the Tapas editorial stuff so I can be a useful editor and Manager of a series.

Bone's Tarot has been worked on nice and steady and this upcoming week is the Season 2 finale of TBATE so I've been planning the team workflow for season three cause that comic has a very large team making the art. Hopefully my schedule will prevent burnout while keeping us on a weekly episode production.