Can We Please Stop

[spadedigsbutts]

Absolutely agree. Premium tends to not be my cup of tea but that doesn't mean they didn't start with success instantly they had to work too. Wish people would spend more time working on Perfecting their craft instead Of this crabs in a bucket mentality its really made the forums kind of unenjoyable

[nathanKmcwilliams]

At least in my experience... complaining is a waste of time and helps no one. I'd rather work harder and keep my mouth shut. No one needs my stinky opinions.
(Sometimes I do my share of griping, but most of the time I keep my thoughts to myself.)

[skicoak]

We used to have a lot more premium and larger creators regularly on this forum, helping people and giving lots of good advice. And how did many people respond? By complaining about how premium creators have it easier, how it's unfair, how popular works are soulless and their creators don't actually care about their work, just being popular.

Yeah....that's not quite what happened at all.

Most of the heat they got was for giving advice that wasn't consistent with the new realities of Tapas. Telling people who had been grinding for years and only had low double digit subscriber counts that the keys to replicating their success was "being active on the forums" and "posting regularly" was gonna create a divide....no matter how well meaning the advice was.

[Kiweevil]

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[scribesunlimited]

Fact is, we're not all going to make the "big leagues". A lot of us are going to succeed, OR fail miserably in different ways. Someone once told me, if you can't afford to fail, you can't afford to succeed. Failures should teach us to keep trying new paths, new methods, new ideas. Success, especially if it's incredible and "overnight" crap, tends to make us lazy and withdrawn, focusing on just that ONE success. Success in a way, makes us stop trying to get better. That's why we have to treat success the same way as failure - in either event, we continue full steam ahead.

[HGohwell]

I'm not saying they were perfect. But I do remember a lot of arguments over premium creators getting "special treatment" (I remember that was a big one) and how it's unfair Tapas gives extra perks to the people they're paying and invested in.

And I wasn't saying they just got hate for giving advice, I mean they got hate in general. Why would you give advice, even if some people didn't think it was that great, to a forum that was constantly complaining about how much they hated your work?

[WillowTree]

Most of the heat they got was for giving advice that wasn't consistent with the new realities of Tapas. Telling people who had been grinding for years and only had low double digit subscriber counts that the keys to replicating their success was "being active on the forums" and "posting regularly"

Isn't this still the advice given by others on the forums?

[nathanKmcwilliams]

I mainly had to chill out on myself and stop using self deprecating language. Once I stopped calling myself a stupid idiot for making a little mistake, that worked wonders XD

[snowy]

Maybe I'm not reading every post on the forum, but "constantly" and "nightmare" seems a little over the top.

[HGohwell]

I'm glad your response to me asking for creators to treat each other with respect is "wow you're exaggerating".

[snowy]

Ooookay. slowly backs away

Bye folks !

[DiegoPalacios]

I think there is a line between constructive criticism and plain bashing.

Of course popular works did something well, that is why they are popular. Maybe they targeted an unidentified niche, have a likable cast or unique worldbuilding, or a factor we may not even have considered.

Constructive criticism of a work, no matter their popularity is a vital tool to reach success. Of course that also means recognizing the flaws on the works we love. To accelerate our growing as writers and artists we need to be able to distinguish what works, when it works and why.

[WillowTree]

It took me awhile to realize that I was no longer a 'newbie' and actually had skills in my craft. Once I did realize, it became a lot easier to just fix a mistake I saw instead of beating myself up over it... also realizing that I will literally never stop learning ways to improve my craft allowed me to be a LOT more chill on myself. Otherwise I used to do the same thing. I was constantly like 'wow, I'm so stupid. How did I not realize that this would be better as xyz and this grammar rule exists for a reason.'

[scribesunlimited]

It bothers me though that a lot of popular artists don't seem to have a library of their own, which kind of tells me, "Well, these creators are all about themselves and have no desire to help others". That's the kind of turn-off that makes me unsubscribe fast. When WE get to 1,000 subscribers or so, (because we eventually will), we'll certainly keep reading and commenting and liking as many comics as we can. That's what the Tapas community is all about.

I think I said it before, it's pointless to be in competition with one another. We should all be helping each succeed, by subbing, commenting, liking whatever we really like. I KNOW no one is obligated to do anything here...but I wish more people would think like we do and feel great doing something to help others.

[Kelheor]

It bothers me though that a lot of popular artists don't seem to have a library of their own, which kind of tells me, "Well, these creators are all about themselves and have no desire to help others".

A lot of popular creators just don't have time for it, they are sitting there drawing for 16 hours every day

[HGohwell]

It bothers me though that a lot of popular artists don't seem to have a library of their own,

You can hide your library. Mine is hidden. I tend to assume big creators are the same. I don't like the idea of people knowing what I'm reading. I like a bit of privacy there.

[skicoak]

But I do remember a lot of arguments over premium creators getting "special treatment" (I remember that was a big one) and how it's unfair Tapas gives extra perks to the people they're paying and invested in.

Yeah, a creator who's consistently being featured on the top of the front page should be aware that's a huge advantage to their subscriber count. Giving advice that doesn't reflect that and implies that the people who haven't reached that point just aren't working "hard enough" is a double edged sword.

Isn't this still the advice given by others on the forums?

And it's a bit antiquated.
I see our community happiness czar understands that things have changed and is trying new stuff to push smaller creators. The simple new reality is Tapas has to get involved to get projects over now...self grinding only gets you so far.

Maybe I'm not reading every post on the forum, but "constantly" and "nightmare" seems a little over the top.

Seconded.

[scribesunlimited]

I wasn't aware hiding the library was an option, but it certainly still doesn't help the creators out.

[WillowTree]

I wish we could hide our likes too. I don't mind the creator seeing them, but I wish my public profile could be a lot more private

[scribesunlimited]

A lot of popular creators just don't have time for it, they are sitting there drawing for 16 hours every day

Yeah, maybe, but it takes a little less than a second to click a heart icon.