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Oct 2020

Look, I know Tapas is a creative place, and creative people like validation and acknowledgement and can get frustrated when they don't get what they think they should.

But can we please stop the hate on other creators.

I see it constantly on these forums and it's becoming a nightmare. I have some pretty low stats, do you know what I'm not doing? Blaming and hating and demeaning more popular creators and works.

Even if you ignore what I've previously said about it making you look childish and petty, pulling the creative equivalent of "I'm not like other girls", it can turn this forum toxic. We used to have a lot more premium and larger creators regularly on this forum, helping people and giving lots of good advice. And how did many people respond? By complaining about how premium creators have it easier, how it's unfair, how popular works are soulless and their creators don't actually care about their work, just being popular.

It's fine, if you think popular/premium works are all samey (and perhaps think of the logic that many of them are samey because that's what sells and what's popular and there's nothing wrong with that) but rather than treating premium/popular creators like they're doing something wrong, how about you act like a decent human being and treat fellow creators with respect? Rather than treating popular/premium works like they're all hollow copies of each other churned out by a factory, you appreciate the skill that goes into them and try to learn something?

If nothing else, think about how you would feel if your work suddenly got popular and suddenly you were accused of not having put in any effort and just copying a popular formula.

Please can this forum stop blaming premium/popular creators and works for your own lack of popularity and stop tearing down the efforts of fellow creators and instead treat them with a bit of respect.

(And while we're at it, don't blame the audience either. Stop shifting the blame and treat everyone with respect.)

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Agreed. There's a difference between having a disagreement with what's popular and just outright blame gaming.
We are each responsible for our own growth. No one deserves to be a big time creator. It has to be earned, worked towards. Yes there's a little bit of luck involved, but the majority of it is hustle and grind.

A lot of the big creators started out small, and worked their tails off to get where they are. They should be able to be proud of that, not be shamed for working hard and earning their way to the top.

Exactly this. I dislike a lot of popular/premium stuff but that's because it's just not my cup of tea (I'd like to see more variety, but I know Tapas is a business and popular is what's popular, they're gonna promote that stuff). And I appreciate the skill and hard work put into them.

I always think it's naĂŻve at best and downright awful at worst when people act like popular/premium creators have put in not effort and just popped up at the top of the list as if by magic.

If more people stopped complaining about their lack of popularity and made strides to become more popular, there would be no reason to complain. :smiley:

Agreed.
I also think some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining while that energy could also be used for something good.

Absolutely agree. Premium tends to not be my cup of tea but that doesn't mean they didn't start with success instantly they had to work too. Wish people would spend more time working on Perfecting their craft instead Of this crabs in a bucket mentality its really made the forums kind of unenjoyable :confused:

At least in my experience... complaining is a waste of time and helps no one. I'd rather work harder and keep my mouth shut. No one needs my stinky opinions.
(Sometimes I do my share of griping, but most of the time I keep my thoughts to myself.)

Yeah....that's not quite what happened at all.

Most of the heat they got was for giving advice that wasn't consistent with the new realities of Tapas. Telling people who had been grinding for years and only had low double digit subscriber counts that the keys to replicating their success was "being active on the forums" and "posting regularly" was gonna create a divide....no matter how well meaning the advice was.

Negative energy corrodes productivity. I have to agree with you on that one. I've had a lot more success with my art ever since I learned to just mellow out.

Fact is, we're not all going to make the "big leagues". A lot of us are going to succeed, OR fail miserably in different ways. Someone once told me, if you can't afford to fail, you can't afford to succeed. Failures should teach us to keep trying new paths, new methods, new ideas. Success, especially if it's incredible and "overnight" crap, tends to make us lazy and withdrawn, focusing on just that ONE success. Success in a way, makes us stop trying to get better. :smiley: That's why we have to treat success the same way as failure - in either event, we continue full steam ahead.

I'm not saying they were perfect. But I do remember a lot of arguments over premium creators getting "special treatment" (I remember that was a big one) and how it's unfair Tapas gives extra perks to the people they're paying and invested in.

And I wasn't saying they just got hate for giving advice, I mean they got hate in general. Why would you give advice, even if some people didn't think it was that great, to a forum that was constantly complaining about how much they hated your work?

Isn't this still the advice given by others on the forums?

I mainly had to chill out on myself and stop using self deprecating language. Once I stopped calling myself a stupid idiot for making a little mistake, that worked wonders XD

Maybe I'm not reading every post on the forum, but "constantly" and "nightmare" seems a little over the top.

I'm glad your response to me asking for creators to treat each other with respect is "wow you're exaggerating".

I think there is a line between constructive criticism and plain bashing.

Of course popular works did something well, that is why they are popular. Maybe they targeted an unidentified niche, have a likable cast or unique worldbuilding, or a factor we may not even have considered.

Constructive criticism of a work, no matter their popularity is a vital tool to reach success. Of course that also means recognizing the flaws on the works we love. To accelerate our growing as writers and artists we need to be able to distinguish what works, when it works and why.

It took me awhile to realize that I was no longer a 'newbie' and actually had skills in my craft. Once I did realize, it became a lot easier to just fix a mistake I saw instead of beating myself up over it... also realizing that I will literally never stop learning ways to improve my craft allowed me to be a LOT more chill on myself. Otherwise I used to do the same thing. I was constantly like 'wow, I'm so stupid. How did I not realize that this would be better as xyz and this grammar rule exists for a reason.'

It bothers me though that a lot of popular artists don't seem to have a library of their own, which kind of tells me, "Well, these creators are all about themselves and have no desire to help others". That's the kind of turn-off that makes me unsubscribe fast. When WE get to 1,000 subscribers or so, (because we eventually will), we'll certainly keep reading and commenting and liking as many comics as we can. That's what the Tapas community is all about.

I think I said it before, it's pointless to be in competition with one another. We should all be helping each succeed, by subbing, commenting, liking whatever we really like. I KNOW no one is obligated to do anything here...but I wish more people would think like we do and feel great doing something to help others. :smiley:

A lot of popular creators just don't have time for it, they are sitting there drawing for 16 hours every day :slight_smile: