Challenge: A thread for training in disagreement

unknown_user 2020-04-20 22:43:42 UTC #38

No prob.

Disagree.
The idea of this topic was to turn the concept of conformity inside out and see, what will happen. The thing is: conformity "instinct" gives us inclement toward agreement with the given rules. But what if the rules themselves encourage disagreement? In this case conformity "instinct" should encourage people to follow the rules... which will discourage conformity "instinct".

So, the plan of the training is:

The effect, described above, should make it a bit easier for people to disagree here, than in another places.
After doing it, people will get some amount of positive reinforcement toward disagreement, because they'll see that nothing horrible will happen.
Maybe after getting such reinforcement it'll be easier for them/me to feel more free in general and make the same more often outside of this topic.

Will conformity habit eat itself like Uroborous? Well, of course, that not entirely, it's too strong. But maybe it will at least bite it's own tale a bit.

NickRowler 2020-04-20 23:11:46 UTC #39

Smartphones made 8 years ago still work perfectly fine. The constant social pressure to upgrade phones is wasteful and nothing more than mindless consumerism.

33rdCenturyCaveman 2020-04-20 23:19:05 UTC #40

Me disagree because of expanding role of smartphones. With something like a smartphone laptop dock, a new or new-ish phone can serve as perfectly-adequate office machine. That less viable with older devices.

unknown_user 2020-04-20 23:25:44 UTC #41

But many people don't use such advanced features. So for them, it's no sense to overpay for it.

33rdCenturyCaveman 2020-04-20 23:28:50 UTC #42

Me could see many students using it for school though. Why pay for both laptop and phone and go through hassle of coordinating files?

NickRowler 2020-04-20 23:40:19 UTC #43

I don't think smartphones should be designed to replace laptops. I think desktops offer a lot of features which a phone could never emulate. Honestly it would be far smarter to get a tablet if you do not want a laptop. Me and many other people use phones for calls, texts, photos, social media and internet browsing, features which have been present in smartphones for the last 10 years. A lot of the newer features added to smartphones are just gimmicks like longer screens and more cameras.

33rdCenturyCaveman 2020-04-20 23:43:56 UTC #44

It add to a phone's useful life though, if you can buy one secondhand and turn it into cheap office machine. Good for environment because more mileage.

NickRowler 2020-04-20 23:46:55 UTC #45

Most people buying smartphones are not tech savvy enough to do that. Or at least, it is not what people in the United States are doing. A know there are some countries that tend to not upgrade as often.

33rdCenturyCaveman 2020-04-20 23:50:59 UTC #46

That okay, secondhand market could be in another country. That how it work with your clothes. Too many Americans seem to get rid of garments that still look brand-new or are easily-repaired.

On the other hand, me have learned not to Google any name-tags me find on clothes, in case it turn up funeral notice. It not a good feeling to realize you an wearing a dead man's (comfy) shorts.

DiegoPalacios 2020-04-21 00:04:43 UTC #47

I think they are both equally cute but appeal to different niches.....

Centipedes are too slow and octopi are too rare. That is why we dont freak out over them.

LJ2 2020-04-21 03:28:28 UTC #48

I disagree. (duh ) Honestly, it depends on the actual animal. (not saying that disabled dogs and cats aren't cute or anything, because they are,) but it can also be because of the way some animals act. like if there was a dog with rabies trying to attack you, your obviously going to think that another dog (say it's a toy poodle or something) is cuter because of its personality.

prankishparty_67 2020-04-21 03:41:26 UTC #49

i disagree with your decision to call him out for it, i feel if they ended up removing it, it was for a good reason. but thats just my opinion

CodeMonkeyArts 2020-04-21 04:30:13 UTC #50

I rather not die on the road. If that means having squishy airbags save my life and having ABS (or even better AWD) when drawing up in the freaking mountains in winter here, I'm A-okay with generic ugliness. Convenience, safety, and practicality over looks. Comfort > style.

CodeMonkeyArts 2020-04-21 04:32:11 UTC #51

Motley Crue doesn't make the same song though :P.

Honestly, I don't hate Nickelback. I like Motley Crue but I never got the Nickelback hate.

nathanKmcwilliams 2020-04-21 04:58:09 UTC #52

I just...can't stand either band, mostly for their lyrical content and overall 'life is a party' themes. I may be a Metalhead, but I definitely don't like music about the whole sex, drugs, and rock n roll mentality. I prefer lyrics that have something meaningful to say, like calling out corruption, or making something constructive out of my life by fighting my inner demons. Heck, even songs about warriors and battle are far more interesting to me. (Not surprising since I write an action comic)

Then...we can get into the actual music. Not only is it not hard enough for my tastes, it's just not that interesting to me, and doesn't line up with my perception of what is 'good music.' (there's a ton of subjectivity there, I won't even pretend to be a gatekeeper. Like what you like for whatever reasons.)

Finally, there's yet another layer, beyond lyricism and music. It is also intrinsically tied to my art and creation of characters and story. Nickelback and Motley Crue add absolutely zero to that. Plus I can't draw to it so...yeah...

rajillustration 2020-04-21 05:00:07 UTC #53

Don't worry, I'll hate Nickelback for you.

rajillustration 2020-04-21 05:06:58 UTC #54

We're in a very boring period of fashion.

At least when we were wearing multiple belts we were taking risks.

SilentHamster102 2020-04-21 06:26:25 UTC #55

It's not ugly, it's a perfect design. Among the Soviet cars for sure.
Better of this is only German classics from 80-early 90s (like Mercedes W123 and W124 or BMW 5 E28 and E34) and US full-size sedans from 60-80s (like Chevrolet Caprice or Ford LTD/LTD Crown Victoria), or Cadillacs (is in those 5% of modern cars which looks at least ok).

Nobody and nothing will change my mind on that subject.

@CodeMonkeyArts

I'm driving my car without all that fancy electronic stuff every winter and in mountains too, because here are mountainous area already and I didn't died yet and even didn't even crashed at winter. I'm not OK with ugliness. Skill is that what matter.

Style > over everything else.
I'm not so big, but art person, and I'm not going to use things that are looking generic, including cars (of course using my taste of things in choosing, not just things that's looks unusual). Of course I can't afford a classic Mercedes yet, so I use Lada for now.

In big city already nobody drives them so it's really looks different than a rest than 99% of cars (if it's 2010 model) and draws attention if it's 1976 model, that's exactly what I need from car.

33rdCenturyCaveman 2020-04-21 10:10:28 UTC #57

Not everyone have to work with Chrome.

Kelheor 2020-04-21 10:21:19 UTC #58

Are you mad, have you seen centipedes??? I dislike spiders a whole lot (a bit of a childhood trauma), but yeah, I am okay with little home fellas, but f*cking centipedes, if you ever saw one in your house toilet in the night, this is not something to take lightly I haven't ask other people about freaking over those, but maaaaan, I'd die if I saw one on me.