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[indagold]

I don't think OP is american, you guys... you might be barking up the wrong tree here

[LunarScyphozoa]

What exactly does being American have to do with what they said about genderfluid people being “jokes”????

[indagold]

I don't even know if this person knows anything about lgbt people this is mostly discussion that's more common in western politics. I'm assuming they have no idea what people are talking about. At least i'm assuming why this happening.

[LunarScyphozoa]

Even if they have no idea what they’re talking about (even though they most likely do know), that doesn’t make all of what they said perfectly fine all of a sudden, and they should have made sure they do know what they’re talking about.

[indagold]

I never said it was dude, chill. jesus christ. I'm just pointing out you guys are going nuclear over someone probably not familiar with anything you're saying.

[LunarScyphozoa]

They should do research on what they’re saying before they say it!!

[indagold]

I uh... um

[CommanderMarty]

they probably wouldn't know what to type into google in the first place

[LunarScyphozoa]

Then maybe they could ask someone! There’s really no excuse

[CommanderMarty]

maybe you could educate them rather than scream at them, I think they muted this thread anyway because its hell

[LunarScyphozoa]

They left the thread before I got here anyway. And they could at LEAST not call people jokes, being uneducated and being an ass are two very different things,

[BOMB]

It's called an unknown unknown.

It's like if you get home and drink all the milk in the house, even though you've previously said you don't like milk. Then an hour later when your mom gets home, you ask if she got any milk. Of course she says no, but you still get upset. You could say she should have called to ask if you needed milk, but why would she have done that if she had no idea you would drink all the milk.

People don't know to ask questions about things they don't know about.

That being said, I get what you mean. I think this guy probably knows somewhat about the things they said. But I also don't think it's worth getting on his case for very long about. I'd if he's a 16 year old or a 50 year old guy, if he lives in America or Japan. For all we know he might live in a place that has a completely different veiw of these subjects. Still, if he's going to open himself up to discuss this stuff he should be prepared for what comes of his choice of words regardless.

I'm starting to rant lol. I'm neutral at this point.

[indagold]

yeah you can't expect a person who doesn't know what to look up to look up something especially with a massive cultural gap. Tapas has been trying to include more international creators on their featured roster so I imagine this type of discussion is gonna keep happening...

[likhoradka]

After reading through, I'm wondering if they just don't have the experience or confidence in their ability to play with tropes and genre since they seem to think elements within given genres are set in stone. If they're very based in anime fandom, they may be thinking genderfluid = comedy genre due to stuff like Ranma 1/2.

As for the 'educate yourself' bit, I've seen it too many times where someone comes forward with a question in an effort to educate themselves (be it because they can't get straight answers or get conflicting answers from their own searches or they want to get answers from people with lived experiences first hand), but are yelled at for even daring to ask. It gets to the point of damned if you do, damned if you don't, so you may as well risk jumping in the fire since you're going to get burned for asking anyway.

[LunarScyphozoa]

Yes, but they weren’t asking about it, someone mentioned it and they said “Okay, that will turn it into a comedy ”
They weren’t trying to educate themself, and if you read their replies it becomes very clear they don’t even want to.

[Azifri]

If someone's from a background where some queer identities and expressions are still seen as "funny" then that's the obvious thing to say. And it is also a normal reaction to act defensively when attacked, nothing strange here.

[DiegoPalacios]

Cultural gaps are a strange thing. What you see as obvious may be something unconsidered for someone else.

That doesn't excuses bigotry, but if you wanna fight ignorance, you will do a better job by educating people instead of attacking them for breaking a rule they don't understand and they may not even know it exists......

Genderfluid and nonbinary people among others weren't common knowledge outside some LGBTQ+ circles until few years ago......and that's not even worldwide.

[likhoradka]

First paragraph is about how OP came off (stuck within genre, etc. without experience or ability to play outside these things - perhaps even a lack of willingness, who knows). My guess is they haven't been exposed to many options, if any, outside of mainstream media.

If they have no experience outside of the mainstream using queer identities for jokes and comedic situations, then suggesting other sources proving that these identities and situations can be taken seriously would help broaden their horizons. Them equating genderfluid as a comedy element could have been met with several examples of where it's taken seriously - as some people have already done. Show that it's not just used for jokes. Show that it can part of a compelling narrative.

Second paragraph is addressing the bad communication habit people have of immediately stating 'educate yourself.' As I said, many people stop asking because they'll just get yelled at anyway. And as @DiegoPalacios pointed out, there are plenty of situations where someone may not even know to ask. I have not gone through OP's previous postings, only this thread, so I do not know if this an ongoing issue with them, nor if anyone has addressed these issues prior to now.

[BreakingChalk]

I'm mexican and pretty much the only ones who care about LGBTQ+ issues here (whether to take it seriously or mock about them), are like less than 25% people from the upper classes and even less people from middle class, and let's say, that from those people who care, there is a majority of people (mostly above 30) that are against these ideas.

This without mentioning that most people don't even know there are such terms as "transexual" or "queer"; in fact, I didn't know about the TQ+ until 4 years ago, so in that regard it wouldn't surprise me if someone from Mexico (I dare say all Latino America) took this topic as something "funny" unlike people form the States or Europe, which I perceive, are more "educated" on this regard.

Just something I thought worth the talk when dealing with people form other countries on this topic.

Although from the comments of this guy, it didn't seem to be the case, and for the comments he received before saying the "comedy" thing, I don't think there's a real reason for him to answer like that besides being edgy.

I might be wrong though, but I didn't perceived it as such.

[indagold]

you have to take into account some of these places not only ban lgbt rights but even posting about them can get you sent to prison. It's clearly a massive difference from what people are used to.