@crowstories is totally worth recommending, and on the comic side, my manga has a nonbinary character and somehow has been recommended by Tapas staff 3 times since I started publishing this January, so it seems like nonbinary characters are interesting after all? And uh, let's say gender stereotypes bore me to death...
Both characters look like they would work fine, my biggest advice is going to be the same I give anyone working out their MC's design and it's "Do you want to draw this character well over 1000 times?" so go with which character you would prefer drawing over the other if you can't decide.
As for an androgynous main, it's really not big a deal, there are lots of straight androgynous men irl (not that being straight matters but for some reason people think that only queer people can be androgynous), probably more in irl than you see showing up in comics and other media because they're not as common for character design choices. As an example my dad also prefers androgynous leads because not only are they easier to relate to, but because 'they look like they take care of themselves, I don't like when they look like they don't bath or wash their hair'
Welll....I'm a dude and I have to say, I've never been into harem stories. In my opinion they are some of the most, unrealistic and misogynistic stories ever.
And I also don't believe a female main character has to beat down all the male characters for herself to be a good character. I also think it's kinda close minded to assume that the only way a guy will pay attention to a female lead is if she gets into lesbian situations.
I think you should reevaluate some of your ideas on "what male readers" want. It feels like your ideas are more in line with corporate or mainstream media, but far from the nuances of actual people.
As far as the characters themselves, I don't really have an opinion any which way. The male and female look so alike, they don't really give me anything to work with mentally. I think they're designs could be a little more creative over all. Right now the body suits look pretty generic, and their silhouettes aren't special either. I will say, they are well drawn, but I probably won't remember either of them after looking away for 5 minutes.
can i request a third option on the poll that says "who gives a shit about gender as long as the character is interesting and well written?"
if not that, then maybe a disclaimer at the top that says "the author really only cares about cis men's opinions on this, as evidenced by the barely there, back-handed invitations for 'female creators and readers' to poll."
edit what's up, I'm an adult trans dude and consider myself very pretty so maybe stop trying to force certain concepts of gender on strangers.
I'm Cis, Male, Hetero and not even through half of my 20's, so I guess I can "fit well" for the public you are aiming for.
After reading everything so far, and because I think my immature 14's self would have share some similar ideas, I'd like to give some honest advice:
I'll play the devil's advocate and say that there may be a place for harem to show in a healthy way, but all the examples of harem I've seen are just unhealthy fantasies for horny teenagers on the internet. It's not like some power fantasies that inspire you to do more, to persist and believe in yourself, but rather something more harmful and egoistic, and that makes an action story dull.
About the GL, assuming from the other comments you've posted, it seems you are just putting it there for mere fetish. Not that only us cis or men or heteros or all the latter are to blame of fetishizing relationships, but neither an excuse to do so, even more when it isn't the main story focus.
I can understand that dealing with all of the LGBT+ ideas and concepts at once may be hard to digest and even understand (more if you come from a somewhat conservative background like in my case), but at least there should be respect in disagreement. What's comedic of a genderfluid character? Or an androgynous one? You could just say you are not comfortable drawing gf or andro characters, or prefer to keep it either male or female because you still don't know how to handle other characters, or even that you fear it wouldn't be as accepted and it'd be a better response than what you said.
By no means a male looking female or vice-versa is an actual reason as to why someone on the internet would not read your story, even ignoring the people with the femboy/trap fetish, there are those who don't care as long as the story is good, or the scenes look great, or the characters are engaging.
It's called an unknown unknown.
It's like if you get home and drink all the milk in the house, even though you've previously said you don't like milk. Then an hour later when your mom gets home, you ask if she got any milk. Of course she says no, but you still get upset. You could say she should have called to ask if you needed milk, but why would she have done that if she had no idea you would drink all the milk.
People don't know to ask questions about things they don't know about.
That being said, I get what you mean. I think this guy probably knows somewhat about the things they said. But I also don't think it's worth getting on his case for very long about. I'd if he's a 16 year old or a 50 year old guy, if he lives in America or Japan. For all we know he might live in a place that has a completely different veiw of these subjects. Still, if he's going to open himself up to discuss this stuff he should be prepared for what comes of his choice of words regardless.
I'm starting to rant lol. I'm neutral at this point.
After reading through, I'm wondering if they just don't have the experience or confidence in their ability to play with tropes and genre since they seem to think elements within given genres are set in stone. If they're very based in anime fandom, they may be thinking genderfluid = comedy genre due to stuff like Ranma 1/2.
As for the 'educate yourself' bit, I've seen it too many times where someone comes forward with a question in an effort to educate themselves (be it because they can't get straight answers or get conflicting answers from their own searches or they want to get answers from people with lived experiences first hand), but are yelled at for even daring to ask. It gets to the point of damned if you do, damned if you don't, so you may as well risk jumping in the fire since you're going to get burned for asking anyway.
Cultural gaps are a strange thing. What you see as obvious may be something unconsidered for someone else.
That doesn't excuses bigotry, but if you wanna fight ignorance, you will do a better job by educating people instead of attacking them for breaking a rule they don't understand and they may not even know it exists......
Genderfluid and nonbinary people among others weren't common knowledge outside some LGBTQ+ circles until few years ago......and that's not even worldwide.
First paragraph is about how OP came off (stuck within genre, etc. without experience or ability to play outside these things - perhaps even a lack of willingness, who knows). My guess is they haven't been exposed to many options, if any, outside of mainstream media.
If they have no experience outside of the mainstream using queer identities for jokes and comedic situations, then suggesting other sources proving that these identities and situations can be taken seriously would help broaden their horizons. Them equating genderfluid as a comedy element could have been met with several examples of where it's taken seriously - as some people have already done. Show that it's not just used for jokes. Show that it can part of a compelling narrative.
Second paragraph is addressing the bad communication habit people have of immediately stating 'educate yourself.' As I said, many people stop asking because they'll just get yelled at anyway. And as @DiegoPalacios pointed out, there are plenty of situations where someone may not even know to ask. I have not gone through OP's previous postings, only this thread, so I do not know if this an ongoing issue with them, nor if anyone has addressed these issues prior to now.
I'm mexican and pretty much the only ones who care about LGBTQ+ issues here (whether to take it seriously or mock about them), are like less than 25% people from the upper classes and even less people from middle class, and let's say, that from those people who care, there is a majority of people (mostly above 30) that are against these ideas.
This without mentioning that most people don't even know there are such terms as "transexual" or "queer"; in fact, I didn't know about the TQ+ until 4 years ago, so in that regard it wouldn't surprise me if someone from Mexico (I dare say all Latino America) took this topic as something "funny" unlike people form the States or Europe, which I perceive, are more "educated" on this regard.
Just something I thought worth the talk when dealing with people form other countries on this topic.
Although from the comments of this guy, it didn't seem to be the case, and for the comments he received before saying the "comedy" thing, I don't think there's a real reason for him to answer like that besides being edgy.
I might be wrong though, but I didn't perceived it as such.