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Sep 2019

For all my digital artist out there I have a question for you...

Do you find it more challenging to doodle digitally vs. traditionally?

I dunno why but when I pick up a pen I can aimlessly doodle on paper for hours - but when I attempt to do the same digitally I just can't... I seem to have a mental block. I wonder if anyone else feels this way? For me I think it stems from the fact that I used to only use digital art for finished pieces, and somehow it just feels wrong not to do a finished piece.

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I found that digital is easier for me than traditional. Then again, traditional always seemed to be based more on a preference. I couldn't doodle if I wasn't doodling with a pen.

I used to feel the same, but I've now spent so much time using a stylus that a regular pen feels strange to me.

I feel the same! Maybe because I always do more polished art digitally so my brain has been programmed to only do that. It's like there's this switch that just turns on when I sit in front of a computer.

I only doodle when I'm bored in class but I'm rarely bored in front of a computer. I'm not bored, therefore I cannot doodle.

I'm not sure what'll work for you, but for me I have different brushes that I use to sketch than I use to "draw".

I use a "marker" brush in SAI at a 60% opacity, then lower the layer opacity more and doodle over it with a different "pen" brush which isn't the same settings as my regular line brush.


I almost exclusively make a point to doodle in navy or a darker blue, and then after adjust it to a dark gray-blue. I'll leave it a blue shade if I'll be making it a finished work.
I also used to try doodling all on the same piece and ended up with weird sized art that would frustrate me. I suffer from the 'out of paper' traditionally, and doodling on the same "page" digitally causes me the same stress so I don't do it anymore. But when I did...


I also throw anatomy worries to the wind and just draw.

I struggle to doodle at all, whether with pen or digitally. I just...don't. It's like inspiration for drawing only strikes when I have a story to tell with it. Otherwise, I just can't think of anything to draw. It's very irritating! I wish I was a doodler :cry:

Totally fair - I spent a lot more years working traditionally before I transitioned to digital.

I know the Apple Pencil has forever ruined all pens for me. However I fill out a lot of paper work/ order forms during the day for my work so regular pens still feel pretty natural in my hand

Yeah I think thats really what it comes down to for me - is my brain is programmed to do finished pieces with digital but I'd really like to break that! I try and bring my ipad with my everywhere now instead of a sketchbook and pencil case (way less bulky) so maybe over time I will re-write the programming!

Thats actually a good point - I think I have gotten stuck and just use the brush set I made for my comic. I will try and branch out, and hopefully that will help!

Haha yeah I definitely do that too - that is one thing I absolutely love about digital is being able to re-size and re-position a drawing!

It really is - I just never bring my sketchbook anymore takes up too much space!

Aww :frowning2: Yeah I have been lucky in that aspect. My brain always needs to be multi-tasking and doodling was a way for me to do that in school during lectures and what not - it helps me retain information and is also just cathartic.

I think my hangup with doodling digitally is more about how doodling on paper was about a lack of "permanency" to the results. I would go through reams of copier paper a month...aimlessly.

With digital, the process has layers of saves and files... It just feels differently

Oddly I think the lack of permanency is what holds me back digitally sometimes - it is much easier to keep hitting ctrl + z, where as with pen and ink there is no undo so you fudge up a line then you have to make it work..

Very true about the layers though!

I just don't draw digitally at all (aside from coloring) because I never really took to inking digitally. I did for years because I weirdly thought it was what I as supposed to do but I would stop drawing for months at a time because it just kinda stopped being fun for me.

It took me forever to realize that more than half the people in my niche of comics work mostly traditional. And once I made the switch back I just haven't had any problems getting into it.

Some of the difference here might be in our definitions of "doodling". Anything where I cared about the final product doesn't really count for me. I was prone to mindlessly sketching during all sorts of activities then gathering them weekly and dumping anything I didn't see value in pursuing into the recycling. Depending on the week, I could have all kinds of nonsense on those doddle pages.

I think thats why I get stuck trying to doodle digitally because my subconscious equates digital with final product - so even when I try to draw aimlessly there is a voice in the back of my head going " nope" not good" "ERASE" UNDO!!!!!" lol so I have trouble shutting that off and just letting the drawings flow.

I was also required to keep a sketchbook through out Junior High and High School ( I went to an arts school) sometimes with page quotas - so I kind of trained myself to always have a certain level of polish - even with my doodles. I would like to get to the point where you are at!

Yeah, sketching and doodling digitally still feels a little weird/harder than traditionally for me (granted I've only really been using digital a lot for about 2 years now, and have like 20 before that in traditional practice xD)

Like part of it is the temptation to zoom in even though that messes with my sense of proportion massively while setting up the basic shapes for my drawing. I also feel like i should start doodling with my pen pressure turned off because, for me at least who is used to doodling in mechanical pencil and ball point pen, having the line fluxuation while doodling feels weird.

Buuuut i def prefer doing the sketch phase of drawings that I'm planning to develop digitally, even if i end up printing them out to ink with my light box. The ability to fully erase and marquee and rotate and reposition things is a god send when penciling. I've started doing my comic sketches this way and have def noticed a difference in efficiency and speed

That's interesting because my art educational experience was primarily about process not results so I often credit it with habits I developed. One of my AFO teachers would barrel burn our projects and portfolios after he reviewed them...at the time it was repeatedly horrifying, but in the long term it changed your relationship with the importance of what you created.

That's happened to me from time to time. I'll draw something in my sketchbook, want to use it for a page and can't get it right. Sometimes I just take a picture of my sketch and ink it over digitally :confused:

Only a few times though. My sketchbook is mostly used for thumbnailing and quick character/scene ideas. I find physical drawing easier for my in-the-moment brainstorming. Likewise when it comes to more "official" art like character models and comic pencils to more natural on digital. Probably because I can fix mistakes easier and my inks come out clear on computer.

Overall I'd say I'm better digital since I've spent more time digital. If I had the money and time I would like to practice traditional inking again.

Oh yeah, doodling digitally is harder for me. Mostly because of the pen flow and the difference in stroke I can't really get via digital. I haven't been drawing on paper lately bit when I do, it usually finished quicker then when I draw on digital

I dont have issues doing either- but I do have issues doing either one at various times...sometimes I'll do well with drawing digitally and I'll struggle to draw traditionally for a spell- and vice versa.

Yeah..looking back I really didn't get the best art education - unfortunately I kept getting placed in the 'bad' art teacher's class and I think I missed out on a lot. College helped expand my knowledge, but didn't' quite disrupt the bad foundation that had been laid.

I love traditional inking! Lately I've created a digital sketchbook (technically just a folder) in procreate to try and mimic the practice of using a physical sketchbook but digitally instead I think it is starting to help blend the two practices!

Fair, I've never really struggled with that issue - but I usually have my pen pressure sensitivity pretty high

True - I think I'm also in a bit of an art lull right now which is just exacerbating the issue... I am so used to only having time to work on my comic and now that I am on hiatus - I do have a bit of free time here and there to draw whatever I want and I have no idea what to draw!

yeah, i significantly prefer doodling physically, and esp sketching i now hate doing digitally. smth abt pencil on paper is more immediate and physical for me

You can change the nib of your tablet pens you know? Some of them feel more like pencil on paper when using them. It's really interesting to try different nib tips.

I can relate to this thread... I got my first tablet almost 3 months ago, and I'm still not used to drawing on it :pensive: It just doesn't feel right. But it's kind of opposite to OP's problem; I actually can make doodles with it, though it doesn't feel as natural as it does on paper, and turning them into something more finished is extremely hard.

Keeping track of proportions, making fluid lines, adding details, etc. - all that is so much more difficult for me digitally, even though it is already plenty hard on paper... I go through multiple layers of rough sketching and it still doesn't look even half as good as it would on paper. Does anyone else have this problem? Like, not with doodling, but with doing "finished" digital works?

I spend many years wishing I had a tablet, and now I'm just frustrated with how the transition to digital art actually made my poor skills even worse :joy:

At first drawing felt differently. People would just say, "Just draw the same way you would draw traditionally" but it's really is a different mindset. I needed to respect the fact that it was naturally a different media, so I made a habit of leveraging layers a bit more than normal since it's the most obvious difference.

After that its just picking out personal tendencies and drawing habits that dont transition as well.

although I've had a stylus for over half my life, and I'm good with it, I still find doodling in my sketchbook is one of the best ways I can brainstorm. Not that I can't on a computer, it's just a little bit slower to do it. The pencil is more instantaneous.

That is definitely one thing that I miss about my Wacom stylus... to my knowledge there is only one type of nib for the Apple Pencil. But you still can't quite match a good quality ink dip pen or brush.

Like any medium there is definitely a learning curve - I wouldn't be too worried about that yet - while there is a lot of crossover they are still different skills.

Yeah I guess thats a good way of putting it. Maybe I am just expecting too much out of my digital doodles at the moment.

Doodle a lot. My first arts with my tablet looked pretty bad. All of my coloring's looked pretty bad too, and I feel like they still look bad. I just can't color the same way I do traditionally. It requires too much effort to duplicate what a colored pencil or copic can do - especially when you're used to being able to make your pen point as fine as you want with pressure and digitally it's just like "I R ROUND EVEN IF YOU FLICK". me: gdi
Also: really? you can't swap out apple's stylus nibs? that's so weird to me lol what happens when it wears down!?

There is only one type available so yes, you can put a new nib on when it wears out, it is pretty easy just screws on - for me they last about 6-8 months on average so not too bad!

Yeahh this is something I've found really helpful as well. Like, traditional sketching, I'll just start with a single sketch and develop it from there / erase the guidelines and etc. With digital drawing I usually have a series of sketch layers like "super rough sketch", "less rough sketch", "clean sketch", "actual clean sketch for real" where I'll keep tracing over the different layers until I get to a level that I'm satisfied with xD almost like inking several times, but adding detail as I go and remaining sketchy (until I move to the actual line art layer, anyways)

hmmm... i might look into that, but its worth squat when using a non-display tablet with no tilt sensitivity. itll never be as intuitive as pencil and paper - its less abt the feel and more abt how it responds to my movement

I feel the same! I think it's mostly because I can't get into a creative state at a computer. When I can curl up in a blanket with my sketchbook, I'm relaxed and I can doodle a bunch of stuff.

The computer is where I ink/color, which I feel is not as creative of a process; the color scheme and stuff comes to me while doodling on paper.

From what I know, making it respond a certain way depends on the programs and drivers. Like I know SAI has 30 different sensitivities, 0-15 and S0-S-15 ish. I normally draw in 3, but if I need a smoother, slower steady line, then I do S3.

oh yeah, i love tinkering with the settings to make things Feel Right, but thats the thing: you always have to code the intuitive actions into digital brushes, whereas with pencil and ink you can just draw and be like 'oh, i wanna do THAT' and then do it. i like working rough and splatty and with lots of random utensils, smth digital cant rly replace

though i also like experimenting with new digital brushes. its not one or the other

To the people who struggle with sketching digitally: are you using a screen tablet or a no-screen tablet? I couldn't sketch properly on a tablet until I got a screen tablet.

Once you have one, use a pen nib that creates lines that ease your mind for sketching. For me, I tend to relax more both when inking and sketching if I use bright clear colors and a maru inkpen nib. I think it's because it feels like I'm using red/blue ballpoint pens and just making little pictures in my sketchbook for my own use. Removes the whole stress of "this has to be representable!!!!!" (you know, that stress that ironically enough often renders the work less representable). What works for you will probably be different due to individual associations.

Use low/no stabilization for sketches, use stabilization for inking if you are aiming for a clean look.

Sketching digitally can be very beneficial, especially if you plan on publishing a finished piece because you can quickly fix any anatomy problems. As for doodles, it's once again nice to be able to do it digitally just in case you end up liking the doodle so much you wanna finish it up with some lineart and coloring.

I tend to use pen and paper when I'm travelling or away from a tablet. I use pen and paper more for mind maps and first character design idea doodles than anything else.

This was me when I first got my Wacom tablet...it took me at least a year before I really got comfortable using it.

I still have issues with this some days. As for the lines, mine was a case of finding the right brushes that I like to work with and help make my work look good. As for proportions, dont zoom in too much- I found that when I did, I'd lose awareness of scale, as well as some lines would be thin in one area and thick in another.

Learning to draw on a non screen tablet was a learning curve to me, but I've gotten used to it...for me the opposite is happening- I got an iPad, and at times it mentally messes with me looking at the screen. Planning on getting a Cintiq eventually(trying to use the iPad as something to draw on when I'm away from home), so I'm trying to "get used" to scribbling on a screened tablet.

Depends on how long you use the tablet and if you keep changing tablets or not. I have the same tablet when I started digital art over a decade ago. Because of that, I'm super familiar with it. The only thing that I can recommend is: if it's hard to do it, practice and keep adjusting. If you suck for 10minutes, keep drawing for another 20. It's a lot like an instrument - you don't get good at it magically by doing only a few practice sessions.

Word. I only started getting better coz I started drawing stuff that I wanted to draw/ink/color.

I use my ipad pro, and I previously had a cintiq and before that I had an intuous pro (or something along those lines), so I've used screened tablets for the majority of my digital time but I did start out with a non-screened one.