Europe needs your help! #SaveYourInternet

[yondoloki]

Here we go again with wanting to cencor the internet, this time the EU is comming up with very bad ideas that will affect every EU country and their ability to share content online, in the name of copyright. Unfortunately this Article 13 will affect EVERYTHING, even memes, fanart, live streams, parodies, remixes, link sharing whatever! Everything will be flagged for copyright infringement, if EU gets their way, so please! Spread the word!! We have until July 4th to get this out of the way!

The news have not said a peep about it, I only discovered this today, please, help Europe, call representatives, tweet about, email them, there's a list of ready made material here:
www.saveyourinternet.eu/

And there's also a petition you can sign:

Sign the Petition

EDIT: So, after cooling down a bit and read up on a lot of things about Article 13 I realise that my first statement was way coloured by initial fear and ignorance. I still think Article 13 is bad news, for reasons I have stated in a post further down, where I have also posted the actual Article.

[LordVincent]

NNNNNOOOOO DON'T BUY THIS LIE OR SPREAD IT PLEASE

Please don't sign okay my friend did and she regrets it i will explain

[LordVincent]

Okay so BASICALLY.

This rule they are proposing exists to fight russian and other extreme propaganda and false news.

The alt right has begun spreading this petition because the law would affect their extremist (often racist and VERY anti-gay) friends. They spread it under the pretense that it will affect things that the average tumblr user or other internet user will be interested in, to lure them into mindlessly signing.

This is why we all need to apply source criticism and THINK before we SIGN.

DO NOT SIGN UNLESS YOU HAVE FULLY RESEARCHED THE TOPIC AND TRULY AGREE WITH WHAT THE PETITION STANDS FOR.

[Daknight]

I'll wait your info! I been seeing this around but it explain nothing at all about article 11 or 13 or even provide a link to read the actual article. I am all up for protecting, but I rather be inform on what I am protecting and from what O_O

[LordVincent]

Article 13 will not affect your memes, fanart, links, reshares or any of your regular internet activity in any way! It's all lies to make you sign a petition against a law aimed to fight extreme propaganda and fake news. I will look up the tumblr posts my friend reshared (after regretting signing the petition) to see if i can provide more info as soon as I have finished my workout.

[DiegoPalacios]

Anyone could find a link for the articles?

[SleepingPoppy]

This is good to know. I'd been seeing this go around and was really surprised and confused based on what I knew of the way internet is handled over there. I'll try to look into it!

If anyone has more accurate information it'd be great if they added it here. I want to know whats really going on. Like, yikes.

[LordVincent]

@SleepingPoppy @DiegoPalacios i will dig up what i last saw of it as soon as I finish my workout, I'm on mobile right now sorry >_< i just had to interrupt before people did something they would regret

[SleepingPoppy]

Take your time, no worries. And thank you for the correction! My tumblr is small, but I'd still like to reblog the correct information since I've had mutuals reblogging the propaganda and I'm fairly certain they'd want to know the truth or at least have the chance to look farther into it.

[Kann]

I was about to sign it, but good thing I decided to read replies first. o.o

[Progg]

A sidenote: I don't know about this specific case, but the newly passed GDPR really was an impressive and inspiring achievement by the EU. By decisive political action, they managed to prove that multinational tech companies don't have the final say on every issue, and that democratically elected governments can still exert some sort of legal power, even online, and thus protect their citizens from having their personal integrities compromised.

You know how online services give you a very long TOS agreement to go through, and you have the choice to either accept all of their terms or refrain from using the service entirely? Basically, the GDPR means that every website/online service on which you have an account have to ask you again about all (or at least some) of these things in a comprehensive way ("Do you consent to facial recognition?", "Do you consent to targeted advertising?", etc.). And this time, you have the option to say no, and still continue to use the service.

I still believe that the democratic rule of law, rather than that of business interests, should apply on the internet, which is very much a part of the real world. And the EU is the only institution I've seen so far to actually do something real to make sure of that.

[LordVincent]

http://impalamusic.org/content/debunking-lies-around-article-13-copyright-directive

http://narcissus-the-sky.tumblr.com/post/175298139401/i-dont-want-to-disappear-without-a-forewarning (scroll down to the reply)

https://lait-anis.tumblr.com/post/174449698532/important-the-eu-is-about-to-destroy-the-internet Scroll down to lait-anis reply.

These are just some points on this matter. I have chosen to not sign this petition, and my advice is that those of you who consider doing so should do heavy research into the matter beforehand. Do not sign something that you don't know what it entails. You wouldn't vote for a party that you didn't know the intent of, would you? So why would you sign a political act just because of a thing some random person on the internet said?

Think for yourself. Be source critical. Be mindful. Check your facts and stop to question yourself occasionally to make sure you are not being gullible, or getting stuck in a pattern that is destructive for yourself, your environment, or your intellectual development.

[yondoloki]

The full Document for the whole Proposal:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593&from=en

"Article 11
Protection of press publications concerning digital uses
1. Member States shall provide publishers of press publications with the rights provided
for in Article 2 and Article 3(2) of Directive 2001/29/EC for the digital use of their
press publications.
2. The rights referred to in paragraph 1 shall leave intact and shall in no way affect any
rights provided for in Union law to authors and other rightholders, in respect of the
works and other subject-matter incorporated in a press publication. Such rights may
not be invoked against those authors and other rightholders and, in particular, may
not deprive them of their right to exploit their works and other subject-matter
independently from the press publication in which they are incorporated.
3. Articles 5 to 8 of Directive 2001/29/EC and Directive 2012/28/EU shall apply
mutatis mutandis in respect of the rights referred to in paragraph 1.
4. The rights referred to in paragraph 1 shall expire 20 years after the publication of the
press publication. This term shall be calculated from the first day of January of the
year following the date of publication"

"Article 13
Use of protected content by information society service providers storing and giving access to
large amounts of works and other subject-matter uploaded by their users
1. Information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to
large amounts of works or other subject-matter uploaded by their users shall, in
cooperation with rightholders, take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements
concluded with rightholders for the use of their works or other subject-matter or to
prevent the availability on their services of works or other subject-matter identified
by rightholders through the cooperation with the service providers. Those measures,
such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and
proportionate. The service providers shall provide rightholders with adequate
_information on the functioning and the deployment of the measures, as well as, when _
EN 30 EN
relevant, adequate reporting on the recognition and use of the works and other
subject-matter.
2. Member States shall ensure that the service providers referred to in paragraph 1 put
in place complaints and redress mechanisms that are available to users in case of
disputes over the application of the measures referred to in paragraph 1.
3. Member States shall facilitate, where appropriate, the cooperation between the
information society service providers and rightholders through stakeholder dialogues
to define best practices, such as appropriate and proportionate content recognition
technologies, taking into account, among others, the nature of the services, the
availability of the technologies and their effectiveness in light of technological
developments."

I can personally not find anything that should hurt gays or be racist about it, but I do worry that the surveiliance aspect getting out of hand. Every content sharing site will have to implement automatic content robots, and honestly, the technology is not there yet to be reliable, just look at YouTube!

I may not be eloquent enough to express my concerns, and I will admit I'm human and barely understand law language, but what I do understand is people that know much more about these matters are definitely against this. There in being even the inventors of the World Wide Web and about 70 other people of influence in the area, plus the Institite for Innovation and Competition, and their letters are very comprehensible, and explains the concers very well.

Your can read their open letters here:

The open Letter to the MEPs from 70 people, among them Tim Berners-Lee, Inventor of the World Wide Web
Tim Berners-Lee, Inventor of the World Wide Web
https://www.eff.org/files/2018/06/13/article13letter.pdf

The open letter from the Institite for Innovation and Competition
https://www.ip.mpg.de/fileadmin/ipmpg/content/stellungnahmen/Answers_Article_13_2017_Hilty_Moscon-rev-18_9.pdf

[LordVincent]

Thanks for finding the original proposal, it was a struggle to find it among all the outrage.

The original proposal is what people should read before signing anything; not a million angry tumblr posts from people who watched one video and got mad.

[yondoloki]

I completely agree, your sentiment also got me reading much more into it to make my own opinon, so thank you for that

I still think Article 13 is bad news. Of course I don't want any discrimination, and I want copyright upheld, but the way they want to implement is not the right way, and depends on technology not developed enough yet. The language of the Articles are also very vague, and doesn't cover things like warnings for the offender or anything like that (The institute of Innovation and Competition covers these concerns), plus I think it also will open the dorrs for more surveiliance in the future, a point covered in the first open letter.

[LordVincent]

You are free to be concerned about it. My opinion is that a law in regards to copyright importance as well as fighting propaganda and fake news is definitely needed, but I have no opinion in regards to whether Article 13 is the correct way to do so or not.

My only point on this matter has been that people should not act too fast in these matters, and should not believe the exaggerations spread by certain people about this. Always look into the intents of the original spreader of certain information, and always try to find the absolute original source to make your own opinion.

[OliviaMerteli]

Article 13 doesn't change anything about fanarts, fanfictions memes etc: if the right owners authorized them, they're okay.

Overall, I quite agree with it: not posting something you don't have the rights to post is quite an easy rule to follow.

I guess the "lololol don't post it on the internet if you don't want me to use it", "if it's on Google image then it's free to use/repost/sell it as a t-shirt design", or "but I gave you EXPOSURRRRRRRRREEEE!!!"" people won't be happy

[craicin]

For you Americans out there, the EU is the European Union, its a bunch of nations banded together to better their nations. For a law like this to be passed, each nation has to agree. Or it does not take affect in their nation. The idea that countries, with real freedom of press, with differing ideologies would ever "unknowingly" or "sneakily" do this, is hilarious.

You think France would let this happen? IRELAND, whose work force depends on it????? This aint america, it aint about the almighty dolla, this about not starting a mother fecking war.

Even how its presented as "Taking away our Fanart!", its very obviously a ploy to get the loudest people on the internet to repost it. Thats why, even though its misinformation about countries, you frankly have little affect on, its been spread everywhere.

[yondoloki]

So I'm not sure if people get notified if a forum post gets edited, but I've made an edit to my initial post.

[indigodrawing]

I've not clicked through to the petition so I can't comment on who posted it.

However, even if this particular petition was posted by some extremely nasty people it does not invalidate the very real concerns that this directive might have very serious negative connotations for free speech and expression. The BBC isn't exactly a bastion of the far right...

Copyright law could put end to net memes

If you're thinking that you're too small for big business to bother with, then you might be in for a shock on that front too. A mother posted a video to YouTube of a toddler dancing along to a Prince song, and it's only been concluded today (with the toddler now in middle school!).