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Nov 2018

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Maybe I'm seeing things very differently, but it seems like the most successful romance comics on webtoon are the ones with clear anime influences in the art (the exception--off the top of my head-- being Lore Olympus).

And the judges in the contest are reportedly a third party entity (if the rules they posted are to be believed), so Akel's influence in that was probably minimal. I wasn't a particular fan of the Western styles they were trying to push, but only looking to a romance story for pretty people is kinda vapid (coming from someone that loves looking at pretty people lol).

I'm also starting to wonder if you actually read the "Most Feels" winner :thinking:

I read the most feels winner. It was decent and ok but there was better choices with more appealing art, storytelling, plot and strong characters. This victory for me is comparable to Sponge Bob winning a shounen contest against Naruto, one piece, one punch man... I mean come on! I love sponge bob but seriously? That most feels victory is also comparable to Sailor Moon winning in a contest of marvel comics beating spiderman, ironman, etc... Come on! You get the picture. And no, I don't only look at the art but beautiful characters are a very big part of a romance story's success.It's like going to a beauty pageant, beauty is the main thing.

where did you see that third party was judging the contest? it is said it's the webtoon staff who does the judging. Since Tom Ackel was the head of content, he probably played some significant part in picking winners. Look at the winning titles, most r western style. How was he involved minimally? if i was line webtoon korea and I see the winners, I'll definately want Tom Ackel fired.

I was slightly horrified to see some of my students at the high school I was at previously reading on LINE Webtoon when I had a comic on there.

But I saw on the girl's reading list that basically all she read were manhua/manwha/manga style artwork romances.

If Akel's departure really was due to his curating and the sudden influx of western-style comics, I would somewhat agree that perhaps he wasn't catering to the larger audience like Naver wanted.

I also agree with @MelloYello that the only reason I would read a romance in the first place is for the handsome characters. If the art was ugly or unappealing, I wouldn't read it at all. Art makes a good impression! Gimme my hot Kpop-looking dudes!! I feel that LINE korean-translated webtoons are successful because America currently is in a BIG hallyu-wave involving the Korean-culture obsession. Make use of it!

They should make less specific requirements for their webcomics. Just let me upload PNGs, for christ's sake!
Also, they gotta fix up their site on Windows 10 Google. It never stops loading whenever I try to add a thumbnail for a new series.
And also develop descent statistic viewers. It would be much easier to know WHEN people subscribe to me and WHO.
I avoid using Webtoon Line because of that. Very laggy, very specific. I don't have that much space in my computer.

I apologize! I misinterpreted one aspect of the rules (I think I assumed the "Administrator" had a hand in judging). This was also the primary reason why I assumed the winners weren't what would obviously gain the most popularity/interest on the platform (now I'm starting to wonder about that, too :sweat:).

I'm still not seeing how most of the genre winners are Western style though. Sure some will probably have some Western art/storytelling influences since the main participants were probably expected to be Westerners, but I wouldn't call them "Spongebob" compared to "Naruto."

Because most participant were westerners doesn't mean their art style was western. if you looked at the entries and the percentage of anime styled art you'll see that was dominant but somehow webtoon (again) managed to pick a 2 western style winners in romance (as it's always picking those same styles to be featured), I don't know what they're tryin to prove by doing this continiously and so agressively instead of picking the most appealings and better romances. They want to dream so badly, that ugly western art in america can beat anime handsome character's type of romance and IN ROMANCE nonetheless. They want to believe and prove that so badly that they don't care about losing large numbers of readers. Sorry webtoon, but this generation prefer anime style and good looking characters especially in romance. It's time webtoon understands this because right now, it's starting to lose to other sites like WebComics, tapas, etc.

We must use a different Webtoons. The majority of their romance comics (featured and Discover ones) are about cutsy bishonen and bishojos in a Japanese or Korean style.
There is a fair amount of hybrid styles. But the pure “ugly’ cartoon styles are a minority, at least in the romance section.

Also why so bitter about that ‘most feels’ finalist. It’s a different style with its own sense for elegance and I think it’s nice to see some diversity in artstyle.
Because it’s not appealing to you doesn’t mean it didn’t deserve to win in its category.

What I would want out of a major change like this is for them to drop the comic "pros"(I use that term very lightly). From what I understand, Webtoons was built on the backs of independent creators, so seeing them throwing money at these guys feels like a slap in the face. Also, being pitted against creators on our own level is difficult enough; we don't need former Marvel/DC writers and artists making things even harder.

<< This generation. I don't really like anime/chibi artstyle that much, in fact I'm tired of it and I'm asian. Sooooo maybe each has different preferences? I'm more into hybrid of both western/anime style, so from my point of view generalization is a bit too much. I know webtoon is a bit shady but just because I don't like this style or that style doesn't mean it's ugly/other people also don't like it.

The irony here is that the indie artists were complaining before this that anime/manga styles were already too popular and they wanted more variety. Now that the contest is over and some underdogs ended up winning, people are salty their super popular favourites didn't win (then again, apparently a bunch of other comics got featured after the contest anyways sooo it's not like this is the only chance for them to get featured)

I'm personally indifferent to the western style comics. They're not my thing, and I do wish they didn't launch like all of them in a week right after the contest. It did feel like a minor slap in the face when thousands of Discover comics were competing for just 8 feature slots, but they launch a ton of outsourced comics without batting an eye.

I don't know if anyone remembers, but they actually held some surveys for Discover creators a couple months ago? Some of the questions were about style preferences, comparing examples of their current featured comics and which ones people preferred. So I don't think they're dense to what their demographic likes, and they've clearly been researching it as well.

Anyways I just hope they roll out their new monetization features already lol More long term support and incentive for Discover creators to use their platform would be nice, especially if other platforms are starting to contract indie creators that didn't win the contest.

I'm not bitter about the winner of most feels. That was just another example to prove how much western comics they aggressively push down our throats. if when you think romance you think ugly characters, and think it's the best way to go it's your problem. That doesn't mean the majority of woman wants that. From what I seen through the years, in romance more than 90% of women goes for the good looking characters. Because the winner of most feels was different from the usual manga/manhwa style doesn't mean it's better and certainly doesn't mean it deserved to win as you seem to believe just in the name of diversity. For your info this wasn't a contest of diversity.

I feel like that could be said about any contest entry since different people have different tastes. This isn't a math competition or something where there is only 1 right solution.

This is where you're going south in your argument. You're using subjectivity as an objective angle, and you can't do that. Words like "ugly" and "good-looking" are subjective in nature.

You personally think that the characters are "ugly". While that's all well and good for your tastes, you cannot speak for the majority. Just because a style is generally preferred over others, in the sense of mainstream popularity, doesn't mean the other styles are inherently "ugly" or that the popular style is inherently "good-looking".

Yes -- anime style is more popular. We can see that now based on the Featured and Popular lists on LINE Webtoons. But popularity doesn't mean superiority, and it doesn't mean that every reader liking said style doesn't like any other style or doesn't read something different.

You would do better to reword your claims into "this type of style isn't as well received, looking at what's popular now". Because objectively, disregarding taste or anything of that nature, the art has appeal. It might not appeal specifically to you, but you should be able to still see that it can appeal to someone else.

Right now, it just feels like you're trying to use your personal preference as fact.

Oh? so you're sayin because beauty is subjective we shouldn't say anything?
yes, words like beauty are subjective in nature but sometimes it can easily be decided too. if i ask 100 woman who is more handsome? Homer simpson or Sasuke (from naruto)? I'm pretty sure 99% of woman will pick Sasuke. Maybe you think homer simpson is the most handsome but to say I can't speak for the majority, I'm sorry that seems foolish, we can totally speak for the majority in many cases and obvious ones like this.

and for the record, I'm not bashing the winner of most feels' art and I do believe it has some appeal to some people but not the majority.I only pointed out an obvious fact: that on a general scale, 90% of woman prefer handsome characters. if you believe 90% of women readers of romance are into into art like king of the hill, you can believe it. But don't stop me from stating obvious things like saying women like handsome men in their romance love stories.

what I'm seeing here, people who like anime style wants webtoon to stop pushing westernizing agenda, and people who have western style comics will defend everything western no matter what.

LOL! Homer is supposed to be be fat and ugly? True, but according to jenny-Toons, who are we to decide who's ugly and not, in general? I'm agreeing with you on this but according to jenny-Toons, isn't suggesting comparing homer to to those other dudes in your page search showing your personal opinion on beauty? Maybe other people find them handsome (even if only less than 3%), who are we to judge beauty right? And who are we to impose and even mention that Sasuke's hot and not Homer? According to Jenny-Toons, we can't do that! We can't!

ok, I get that Homer is old, but what about bart simpson? will you pick him or sasuke? Who do you think is more handsome? Oops, I forgot! beauty is subjective! This doesn't have an answer at all! It's just impossible to tell who women will go for, very impossible! NO, I mean no one knows who the ladies will pick, right?

Too funny how people shuts all logic and get in denial about women most likely going for handsome men whether in real life or in romantic comics. This is probably what Tom Ackel did, and now right after the picking of the 8 top winners of the contest he's asked to leave. There could be a connection there looking at the timing of all this.

@OneHappyDay @MelloYello
Obviously you didn't read my post if that's what you pulled from it.

Because I didn't say anything on beauty.

I spoke about artistic style.

Because art is subjective, you can't use words like "ugly" or "good-looking" as fact like you can with mathematics.

BUT -- and this was in my post -- you can objectively tell why something appeals to someone else. You objectively see if their story makes sense or if the art is off-model.

You are confusing style (how things are drawn) to social beauty, and that was NOT what I did. I talked about not making style the reason something is 100% popular or unpopular.

You say "handsome characters", but you refer to anime characters like Sasuke, so what you really mean to say "if it's in an ANIME STYLE, then in the current mainstream popularity, that character is viewed as handsome."

Moreover, on your note about Homer, you pulled a StrawMan fallacy. You compared Homer, who is supposed to be designed as ugly, to Sasuke, a character designed to be socially handsome. Of COURSE Sasuke would be more handsome because the style in which he is drawn in appeals more to viewers than the Simpson's style.

If you compared Sasuke to the character Bruce Wayne from The Batman 1990s animation series, who is designed to be handsome in western STYLE, then I would see what you're talking about. But you're trying to connect style as a reason something could be "ugly", and you're trying to make that a fact.

Moreover, on THAT note, you've referred only to The Simpsions, Spongebob, and King of the Hill...as if western style is dumbed that to only that. That's like saying all Japanese anime looks like Naruto.

What about Winx Club, Totally Spies, Scooby Dio, Josie and the Pussycats, Amazing Spiderman?

Style. Not beauty. I talked about style. Read and reread.

I prefer Japanese anime style myself. But I'm not so one-sided that I cant see why someone draws in or likes western style material.

.......I think people are talking about the sense of handsomeness/beauty in comic. Which also depends on each style. If we're talking about beauty/handsome-ness in comic i think it's similar to languages, the word beauty has different letters in each language, and only people who speak them can understand/able to appreciate it. I feel it's unfair to compare that sense of beauty based on style. If it's based on the quality of the style, like how developed the style is, whether the author has just started or has completely mastered it, maybe we can talk about it.