Good Idea, Poor Execution

The live-action avatar the last airbender movie... I was so excited to see this! It didn't took long to get borring and stiff as hell...

Well I dunno if it was a good idea or not but out of curiosity I once stumbled upon Dragon Ball evolution...

This was ever present issue with american tv. Great first season, then it keeps getting renewed and spirals down into a sad abrupt ending.

Going way back, heroes was so awesome, and then so so bad...

recently I was super into Archive 81 on netflix. But the big dramatic ending sucked. If you make a show focusing on a DEMON, That demon damn well better be important in the end! Or scary, or something... not just sad and lonely. gah.

House on haunted hill also had a terrible ending. (i didnt read the book)

true. prolly cause it was kind of a stand alone.

Every once in a while, my love of Americana, episodic horror, and messy interpersonal relationships makes me think I should watch Supernatural.

Unfortunately, then I am faced with everything else about Supernatural.

Kamen Rider Saber had a lot of potential, but it became a meandering mess that I only watched to meme about it, because holy shit, that show is mememeable. I mean, there is one character who had different reaction faces (Yes plural) on each episode. And this absolute treat to the eyes.

Top tier.

Well, I have two series that started incredible with their ideas but eventually they... they took a train, it set on fire, they fell down a cliff... and it exploded and then an alien shoot a laser at them.

Supernatural, first 5 seasons, amazing premise, eventually each season had incredible and interesting ideas in concept but the execution was poor.

Same thing with Wonder Egg Priority, it was so well done at the beginning, the art as well was -cheff's kiss- but the latest episodes and it's finale... ugh.

Well, Riverdale started ok-eish and went sideways, did a flip mid air and God knows what would have happened if it didn't got cancelled.

Yuri on Ice, as other people have mentioned, I also considered it a poorly executed idea... it was just grabbing your most boring and vanilla takes from both sport and BL anime and done, nothing thrilling or that could be called so amazingly executed.

There were also people who mentioned Vampire Knight and I'll be honest, I totally agree with that take and this is my favorite video for anyone that hasn't seen that show and doesn't want to risk their lives and braincells in the process1

And I'm going to be honest here, anything from CW right now is pure good ideas and horrible execution, Gotham Knights feels like Descendants from Disney but with a Batman mask made with a 3D printer... and Winchesters... Feels like Riverdale and Vampire Diaries. I don't know how they are going to execute those two but again, it's CW and after Supergirl, The Flash, Riverdale, Charmed, Supernatural and several more, I have no hopes

Allow me a highly controversial take. Dragon Ball Z.

Now, I do have to try and keep in mind the context of when it came out - I'm far too young to have seen it on first release, so one might say I was spoiled and seen others having built upon it by the time I watched it myself, versus others. But hoooooly cow, I did not like it, at all.

And it should be so cool! Larger than life characters, massive battles, interplanetary storylines, giant lasers... sounds awesome, right? But everything was just done so shoddily. I watched all of the original Dragon Ball and enjoyed it, but was eagerly anticipating getting to Z throughout - only to be sorely disappointed.

There was no real "mechanical power growth" or notion of getting stronger through an organic means. Everyone just kinda magically powered up at just the right time for whatever was happening, but sure took their sweet time doing so. Fights were agonizingly slow, and there was no difference between an attack that did nothing and an attack that won the fight. If you were to show an arbitrary clip of Goku shooting a Kamehameha and causing an explosion/dust cloud, you'd be hard pressed to say whether the enemy shrugged it off or died, because both were precisely the same, as though with each attack Toriyama flipped two dice and if it came up both 6s the fight ended and otherwise the opponent was completely unharmed. You could easily shuffle around the scenes of the Frieza fight and nobody would notice.

I expected long, drawn-out endurance battles where the characters got increasingly tired and beaten down, but kept fighting and fighting over a long period of time until the last blow was struck, but frankly that's not really what happened. Near the end of Frieza's battle, I had frankly stopped even paying attention during an episode, because I already knew what would happen: Goku would throw a punch or two, Frieza would laugh, episode ends. It was SO. BORING.

In the end I gave up during the Garlic Jr. arc, and feel absolutely no desire to go back and finish it. It's a shame, because like I said it should have been so much better than that. I have no doubt I'll get some pushback for this from people who saw it growing up, most likely along the lines of how it was the first of its kind in Western countries and other things doing it better since doesn't discredit DBZ's accomplishments. I can understand and appreciate that, and respect DBZ for its historical and cultural importance, but I have no compunctions whatsoever in saying it has aged very, very badly.

I've been lurking and I'm surprised no one brought it up yet, even if it might be an obvious one that doesn't need to be mentioned. Disney's sequel trilogy for Star Wars, Episodes 7-9.

Listen, I actually like the films as is, and can easily forgive some of the most unnecessary and convoluted plot lines bc I've got low standards.. but there is no denying that the whole thing could've been so much better.

J.J. Abrams had a plan for all three films, but Rian Johnson was shoved in for The Last Jedi and he decided to do his own thing, even going against the spirit of what J.J. had going on. And due to the backlash the film got, J.J. had to direct the next one so he could "fix Rian's mistakes" and cram two films worth of plot into one. If that sounds like a recipe for disaster, that's bc it is! General consensus was that it was an awful ending to the Skywalker Saga. Too much was happening back to back, and there's no space for characters to truly breathe- and speaking of which!

This is where I get offended even with my low standards tbh

None of these characters feel they had much thought behind them with the exception of Kylo Ren, who actually got an arc. It was a poorly executed arc, but it's more than anyone else got lmao the real sad part is the biggest wasted potential in all the films. Finn. They did him dirty. I'm just saying Finn would've been a far better Jedi protagonist then Rey, especially with his background as an ex-stormtrooper.. At least he's got a bromance with Poe who's kinda.. just there. He flies and shoots good, he gets promotions. I got nothing else, sorry.

And as for Rey herself? Honestly.. she's kinda bland. Generally a good person, and wants to know more about herself. Not really one for revenge, not really one to give in to the Dark Side. The Force comes so naturally to her, it's kinda underwhelming when she learns new stuff. Never really gets injured in the entire trilogy until the very end, where they immediately fix it like nothing happened. I'm not asking for a limb to be chopped off, but come on. Also, her and Kylo worked better as this student/teacher dynamic, not enemies to lovers.. just- overall, mild and bland.

So... yeah. I don't dislike the films. Force Awakens is fun all-around as a remix of A New Hope. The Last Jedi is ambitiously different, just like Empire Strikes Back. Rise of Skywalker would've been better with a longer runtime or split into two films. There's a lot of scenes in all of the films that are great, but the rest is definitely not up to the same standard. Definitely more focused on spectacle than anything else.

Oooh, all of this and more...

I kinda blacked out the memory of the new trilogy because I was so massively disappointed...at the time I was just starting to take an interest in Star Wars, and I thought this would be the definitive experience for a new generation of fans like me.
I went to see all three films in theaters, even...and 2 minutes into TRoS I went "oh no" and it was all downhill from there. So much potential, squandered...

It's interesting that THAT was supposed to be a last-ditch effort to save the trilogy, because I think it was without a doubt the worst film of the three. The first one was a fine start; I actually liked the second one, too-- although the story was a little weak (especially the B-plot), it definitely contains most of my favorite scenes in the trilogy, and I thought the plot threads it introduced had the potential to wrap up nicely in the next movie.

Unfortunately, we got...what we got. :[ If what you say is true and Abrams was really trying to "fix" things, I think he would have been better off continuing from where TLJ left off (y'know, as you're supposed to do in a movie SERIES) and leading the characters to a satisfying conclusion, instead of trying to throw a hard reset and cram all the rest of 'his vision' into one super-rushed movie.

And even if it hadn't been rushed, I don't even like his ideas. Palpatine returns? Wow. T_T Rey is a Palpatine? Why?? Kylo Ren switches sides? Yawn...
Finn is completely forgotten and left out of the plot? AAAARRRRJJAKLF;JS;HFNDKHAFUSISH--

This, this, this! TT_TT I will never forgive the trilogy for doing this to him (and by extension, to John Boyega...but that's a discussion for another time). My God, what we could have had...I would have accepted him being the deuteragonist, even, but by the end of the story he wasn't even much of a side character...

I would gladly trade ALL of Kylo Ren's character development for more Finn. Let Ren stay as Vader's whiny bitchy grandson; I enjoyed him that way! Or use the trilogy to START his character arc by giving him a change of heart at the last minute; so we can focus on our actual protagonists! I just ಥ_ಥ

yeah, i tired watching super, but the whole first arc with beerus and the yacht party was just sooo dumb. I quit it after that.
maybe it got better... doubt it. Agree, they shoulda just left it alone

To bring it back to webtoons. I plowed through "Fight like a girl" on Tapas.
I was so hooked... then it reached the end, and just like... crapped the bed. hard.
One MC just, totally dissapeared from the comic with a mysterious past left unexplained, tonnes of plot threads left hanging, and the creepiest ship ever was the one they decided to push. I was so dissapointed.

Spells from Hell on Webtoon, specifically the entire relationship drama arc. Antagonist asshole (who has been shown to be dangerous) tells male love interest that he kissed female love interest first (they both have some tension and are about to go on their first date but they're not together, antagonist asshole actually forced the kiss on female LI but that's beside the point), male LI gets jealous and butthurt, doesn't let female LI explain, walks off and leaves her alone with the antagonist who has threatened and attacked people. Make LI goes on to give her the silent treatment for a while, she leaves him alone to respect his boundaries but is upset about it. A friend gives her a pep talk saying she should fight for the people she cares about.

Female LI also wanted to tell male LI something important during their date, something she feels very ashamed and insecure about that would affect a romantic relationship, hence why she decides to tell him when their friendship is becoming more romantic. Obviously she never got to tell him so another character does that instead, his reaction is "Is that what she wanted to tell me? Why didn't she tell me sooner? Is it because she'd rather be with someone else and not meeee?" He does throw her a bone by texting her "happy new year" though so uh ... Awww cute romance I guess.

Meanwhile female LI angsts over how to apologise to male LI while still respecting bis boundaries and implied wish to not be contacted, I still don't know what exactly she wants to apologise for but she feels guilty while he's butthurt and continues to ignore her. She writes a letter to him and wants to hand it to him personally but plot happens and she saves his ass instead.

Now I am very apprehensive about how they're going to talk this out. I fear that the thing that'll redeem her to him and that'll solve this conflict will be that the kiss was coerced, and that she'll apologise for not disclosing information that he wasn't entitled to in the first place and that didn't affect him at the time (again, she did plan on telling him when it became relevant to him and their relationship), and if that's how it goes I'll drop the Webtoon.

Look, I'm a fan of flawed characters and complex relationships. I'm also a fan of unhealthy dynamics if the story acknowledges them as unhealthy. There's a lot you can do with them, including making them healthier as the characters involved communicate and heal. This is just not the way to go about it. Both characters' mental health has been addressed before, but their unhealthy dynamic is somehow overlooked and the female lead is only encouraged to fight for the dude that left her alone with a dangerous guy and gave her the silent treatment. All of this is just leaving a sour taste in my mouth.

Sorry for the long rant. I just got very mad about this and slightly concerned about some comments painting the guy's behaviour as reasonable, justified and mature, and some people blindly going "just kiss kiss fall in love already", and how this whole dynamic is extremely unhealthy and it's just... Overlooked. It's just not addressed properly. I hope the story will address it but I'm worried that the resolution of this whole conflict will be shallow and have a problematic message.

I agree with this one wholeheartedly. Actually dropped Spells from Hell a while back (sometime between the coerced kiss and when their relationship started) because it was beginning to drag and the characters and their dynamic were falling flat for me.

While some aspects of the art and aesthetic are lovely, and I thought the world had a lot of potential to be interesting and fun, everything overall felt "meh". I couldn't make myself care about the characters and their conflicts, and when a story starts feeling like a chore to read in hopes that it'll get better someday, I drop it as a rule.